Meetings
Impacts of COVID-19: Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee
This page gives details of any meetings held which will, or did, discuss the matter, and includes links to the relevant Papers, Agendas and Minutes.
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Meeting: 15/07/2021 - Economy, Trade, and Rural Affairs Committee (Item 3)
- Webcast for 15/07/2021 - Economy, Trade, and Rural Affairs Committee
- Transcript for 15/07/2021 - Economy, Trade, and Rural Affairs Committee
3 Welsh Government response to the Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee Long-term recovery from COVID-19
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Minutes:
3.5.1 The response was noted by the Committee
Meeting: 10/03/2021 - Plenary - Fifth Senedd (Item 6)
Debate on the Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee report on long term recovery from COVID-19
NDM7623
Russell George
(Montgomeryshire)
To
propose that the Senedd:
Notes
the report of the Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee on its inquiry,
Long-term recovery from COVID-19, which was laid
in the Table Office on 3 March 2021.
Minutes:
The item started at
15.38
NDM7623 Russell George (Montgomeryshire)
To propose that the Senedd:
Notes the report of the
Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee on its inquiry, Long-term recovery
from COVID-19, which was laid in the Table Office on 3
March 2021.
The motion was agreed in accordance with
Standing Order 12.36.
Meeting: 18/11/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd (Item 4)
- Webcast for 18/11/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd
- Transcript for 18/11/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd
4 The Role of the Regional Skills Partnerships in Pandemic Recovery
Sian
Lloyd Roberts, Regional Skills Manager, North Wales Regional Skills Partnership
David
Roberts, Chair, North Wales Regional Skills Partnership
Richard
Tobutt, Regional Skills Partnership Manager, Cardiff Capital Region
Huw
Wilkinson, Regional Skills Partnership Manager, South East Wales
Jane
Lewis, Regional Partnership Manager, South West & Mid Wales Regional
Learning and Skills Partnership
Supporting documents:
- EIS(5)-23-20- Paper 4 : Research Brief
Minutes:
4.1 Sian Lloyd Roberts, Regional Skills Manager, North Wales Regional Skills Partnership, David Roberts, Chair, North Wales Regional Skills Partnership, Richard Tobutt, Regional Skills Partnership Manager, Cardiff Capital Region, Huw Wilkinson, Regional Skills Partnership Manager, South East Wales and Rachel Clegg, Development Co-ordinator, South West & Mid Wales Regional Learning and Skills Partnership answered questions from Committee Members
Meeting: 18/11/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd (Item 2)
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- Transcript for 18/11/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd
2 Letter from Chief Executive Development Bank of Wales re: COVID-19 – Development Bank of Wales’s response
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Minutes:
2.2.1 The letter was noted by the Committee
Meeting: 11/11/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd (Item 3)
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- Transcript for 11/11/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd
3 Covid-19: Recovery - Scrutiny of the Minister for Economy, Transport and North Wales
Ken
Skates MS, Minister for Economy, Transport and North Wales
Simon
Jones, Director Economic Infrastructure, Welsh Government
Sioned
Evans, Director Business and Regions, Welsh Government
Supporting documents:
- EIS(5)-22-20-Paper 2: Research Brief
Minutes:
3.1 Ken Skates MS, Minister for Economy, Transport and North Wales, Lee Waters MS Deputy Minister for Economy and Transport, Simon Jones, Director Economic Infrastructure, Welsh Government and Sioned Evans, Director Business and Regions, Welsh Government answered questions from Committee Members
Meeting: 04/11/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd (Item 4)
- Webcast for 04/11/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd
- Transcript for 04/11/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd
Covid-19: Green Recovery
Sophie
Howe, Future Generations Commissioner
Haf
Elgar, Director, Friends of the Earth Cymru
Tabea
Wilkes, Nature Project Officer, RSPB Cymru
Minutes:
4.1 Sophie Howe, Future Generations Commissioner, Haf Elgar,
Director, Friends of the Earth Cymru and Tabea Wilkes, Nature Project Officer,
RSPB Cymru answered questions from Committee Members
4.2 Haf Elgar agreed to provide further details on a report that Friends of the Earth Cymru commissioned from consultants, Transport for Quality of Life.
Meeting: 04/11/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd (Item 3)
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3 Covid-19: Recovery for all 2
Ali Abdi, Citizens Wales and Race Council Cymru
Shavanah Taj, Vice-Chair, Socio-economic subgroup of the
First Minister’s Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic Covid-19 Advisory Group
Ginger Wiegand, Policy and Research Lead, Ethnic
Minorities and Youth Support Team Wales
Supporting documents:
- EIS(5)-21-20- Paper 3: Research Brief
Minutes:
3.1 Ali Abdi, Citizens Wales and Race Council Cymru, Shavanah Taj, Vice-Chair, Socio-economic subgroup of the First Minister’s Black, Asian and Minority Ethnic Covid-19 Advisory Group and Ginger Wiegand, Research and Policy, Ethnic Minorities and Youth Support Team Wales answered questions from Committee Members
Meeting: 02/11/2020 - Equality, Local Government and Communities Committee - Fifth Senedd (Item 5)
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- Transcript for 02/11/2020 - Equality, Local Government and Communities Committee - Fifth Senedd
5 Letter from the Chair of the Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee to the Minister for Economy, Transport and North Wales in relation to the impact of COVID-19
Supporting documents:
Minutes:
5.2.a. The Committee noted the letter from the Chair of the Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee to the Minister for Economy, Transport and North Wales in relation to the impact of COVID-19.
Meeting: 14/10/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd (Item 4)
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Covid-19: Recovery for all
Cerys Furlong, Chief Executive, Chwarae Teg
Dr Alison Parken, Cardiff Business School, Cardiff University
Ruth Coombs, Head of Wales, Equality and Human Rights Commission
Rhian Davies, Chief Executive, Disability Wales
Minutes:
4.1 Cerys Furlong, Chief Executive, Chwarae Teg, Dr Alison
Parken, Cardiff Business School, Cardiff University, Ruth Coombs, Head of
Wales, Equality and Human Rights Commission and Rhian Davies, Chief Executive,
Disability Wales answered questions from Committee Members
4.2 The Committee has requested further details from the witnesses on how the Welsh Government ought to be building actions around equalities in from the beginning, rather than adding them in at the end,
Meeting: 07/10/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd (Item 3)
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Covid-19: Recovery - Manufacturing Industries
John Whalley, Chief Executive, Aerospace Wales Forum Ltd
Richard Warren, Head of Policy and External Affairs, UK Steel
Minutes:
3.1 John Whalley, Chief Executive, Aerospace Wales Forum Ltd and Richard Warren, Head of Policy and External Affairs, UK Steel answered questions from Committee Members
Meeting: 07/10/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd (Item 2)
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2 Covid-19: Recovery - Long-term Affected Sectors
Andrew Campbell, Chair Wales Tourism Alliance
David Chapman, Executive Director Wales, UK Hospitality
Victoria Brownlie, Director of Policy and Public Affairs, National Hair and Beauty Federation
Sara Jones, Head of Welsh Retail Consortium
Supporting documents:
- EIS(5)-19-20 - Paper 1: Evidence from National Hair and Beauty Federation, item 2 PDF 166 KB
- EIS(5)-19-20 - Paper 2: Research Brief
Minutes:
2.1 Andrew Campbell, Chair Wales Tourism Alliance, David Chapman, Executive Director Wales, UK Hospitality, Victoria Brownlie, Director of Policy and Public Affairs, National Hair and Beauty Federation and Sara Jones, Head of Welsh Retail Consortium answered questions from Committee Members
Meeting: 30/09/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd (Item 3)
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3 Covid-19: Transport Recovery - Advocacy Groups and Passenger Interests
Christine Boston, Director for Wales, Transform Cymru
Ryland Jones, Interim Deputy
Director, Sustrans Cymru
Norman Baker, Adviser to the Chief Executive Officer, Campaign for Better Transport
David Beer, Senior Manager Wales, Transport Focus
Supporting documents:
- EIS(5)-18-20 - Paper 2: Evidence from Transport Focus, item 3 PDF 222 KB
- EIS(5)-18-20 - Paper 3: Research Brief , View reasons restricted (3/2)
Minutes:
3.1 Christine Boston, Director for Wales, Transform Cymru,
Ryland Jones, Interim Deputy Director, Sustrans Cymru, Norman Baker, Adviser to
the Chief Executive Officer, Campaign for Better Transport and David Beer,
Senior Manager Wales, Transport Focus, answered
questions from Committee Members.
3.2 Norman Baker agreed to send the Committee, Campaign for Better Transport’s document 'Covid-19 Recovery.
Meeting: 30/09/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd (Item 6)
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Private
Covid:19: Recovery - Consideration of evidence following Item 3 & 4
Minutes:
6.1 Members considered the evidence heard during the session
Meeting: 30/09/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd (Item 4)
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4 Covid-19: Transport Recovery - Academic and Industry Perspectives
Prof Glenn Lyons, Professor of Future Mobility – University of the West of England
Nick Richardson, Technical
Director (Transport) - Mott Macdonald and Chair of the Chartered Institute of
Logistics and Transport Bus and Coach Policy Group
Supporting documents:
- EIS(5)-18-20 - Paper 4: Evidence from Mott Macdonald, item 4 PDF 11 KB
- EIS(5)-18-20 - Paper 5: Evidence from Professor Glenn Lyons, item 4 PDF 139 KB
Minutes:
4.1 Prof Glenn Lyons, Professor of Future Mobility – University of the West of England and Nick Richardson, Technical Director (Transport) - Mott Macdonald and Chair of the Chartered Institute of Logistics and Transport Bus and Coach Policy Group, answered questions from Committee Members.
Meeting: 23/09/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd (Item 2)
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2 Covid-19: Recovery - Business representative organisations
Leighton Jenkins, Assistant Director and Head of Policy, Confederation of British Industry Wales
Amy Bainton, External Affairs Advisor, Federation of Small Businesses Wales
Supporting documents:
- EIS(5)-17-20 - Paper 1: Evidence from FSB, item 2 PDF 375 KB
- EIS(5)-17-20- Paper 2: Research Briefing
Minutes:
2.1 Leighton Jenkins, Assistant Director and Head of Policy,
Confederation of British Industry Wales and Amy Bainton, External Affairs
Advisor, Federation of Small Businesses Wales answered questions from Committee
Members.
2.2 Leighton Jenkins agreed to provide a note to the committee on the economic support, workplace safety and the economic enabler.
Meeting: 16/09/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd (Item 2)
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2 Letter from the Minister for Economy, Transport and North Wales Re: Evidence taken on the 18 June Committee Meeting
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Minutes:
2.3.1 The letter was noted by the Committee
Meeting: 16/09/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd (Item 4)
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Covid-19: Recovery - Think Tanks
Dr
Victoria Winckler, Director Bevan Foundation
David
Hagendyk, Director for Wales, Learning and Work Institute
Minutes:
4.1 David Hagendyk, Director for Wales, Learning and Work Institute and Helen Cunningham, Policy and Research Officer, Bevan Foundation answered questions from Committee Members
Meeting: 16/09/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd (Item 3)
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3 Covid-19: Recovery - Academics
Professor
Dylan Jones-Evans, Assistant Pro Vice Chancellor, University of South Wales
Professor
Andrew Henley, Director of Research Engagement and Impact, Cardiff University
Professor
Gillian Bristow, Professor in Economic Geography, Cardiff University
Supporting documents:
- EIS(5)-16-20 - Research Briefing
Minutes:
3.1 Professor Dylan Jones-Evans, Assistant Pro Vice Chancellor, University of South Wales, Professor Andrew Henley, Director of Research Engagement and Impact, Cardiff University and Professor Gillian Bristow, Professor in Economic Geography, Cardiff University answered questions from Committee Members
Meeting: 16/09/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd (Item 2)
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2 Letter from the Minister for Economy, Transport and North Wales Re: Further information following 16 July meeting
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Minutes:
2.5.1 The letter was noted by the Committee
Meeting: 16/09/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd (Item 2)
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2 Letter from the Minister for Economy, Transport and North Wales Re: Follow up action 11 May meeting
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Minutes:
2.4.1 The letter was noted by the Committee
Meeting: 02/07/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd (Item 4)
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- Transcript for 02/07/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd
Covid-19: Retail, Hospitality and Tourism
Sara Jones, Welsh Retail Consortium
Andrew Campbell, Chair Wales Tourism Alliance
Professor Nigel Morgan, Head of School, School of Hospitality & Tourism Management, University of Surrey
David Chapman, Executive Director Wales, UK Hospitality
Minutes:
4.1 Andrew Campbell, Chair Wales Tourism Alliance,
Professor Nigel Morgan, Head of School, School of
Hospitality & Tourism Management, University of Surrey and David Chapman,
Executive Director Wales, UK Hospitality answered questions from Committee
Members
4.2 Apologies were received from Sara Jones, Welsh Retail Consortium
Meeting: 02/07/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd (Item 3)
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3 Covid-19: Public Transport - Transport for Wales
James Price, Chief Executive Officer, Transport for Wales
Supporting documents:
- EIS(5)-14-20(P2) Research Brief
Minutes:
3.1 James Price, Chief Executive Officer, Transport for
Wales answered questions from Committee Members
3.2 James Price agreed to provide further details on transfer of the Valleys lines and station agents
Meeting: 18/06/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd (Item 5)
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COVID-19: Public Transport - Transport For Wales and Bus Operators
James Price, Chief Executive Officer, Transport for Wales
Nigel Winter, Managing Director, Stagecoach South Wales
Scott Pearson, Managing Director, Newport Transport
Minutes:
5.1 Nigel Winter, Managing Director, Stagecoach South Wales and Scott Pearson, Managing Director, Newport Transport answered questions from Committee Members
Meeting: 18/06/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd (Item 3)
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3 COVID-19: Transport - Trade Unions
Peter Hughes, Regional Secretary, UNITE Wales
Mick
Lynch, RMT Assistant General Secretary
Supporting documents:
- EIS(5)-13-20(P4) Research Brief
Minutes:
3.1 Peter Hughes, Regional Secretary Unite and Mick Lynch, RMT Assistant General Secretary answered questions from Committee Members
Meeting: 18/06/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd (Item 4)
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4 COVID-19: Transport - Cardiff Airport
Deb Bowen Rees, Chief Executive Officer, Cardiff Airport
Spencer Birns, Chief Commercial Officer, Cardiff Airport
Supporting documents:
Minutes:
4.1 Deb Bowen Rees, Chief Executive Officer, Cardiff Airport and Spencer Birns, Chief Commercial Officer, Cardiff Airport answered questions from Committee Members
Meeting: 01/06/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd (Item 3)
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- Transcript for 01/06/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd
3 COVID-19: Skills
Jeff
Protheroe, Director of Operations, National Training Federation for Wales
Dafydd
Evans, Chair, Colleges Wales
Professor
Ewart Keep, Department of Education, Oxford University
Supporting documents:
- EIS(5)-12-20(P2) Research Briefing
Minutes:
3.1 Jeff Protheroe, Director of Operations, National Training Federation for Wales, Dafydd Evans, Chair, Colleges Wales and Professor Ewart Keep, Department of Education, Oxford University answered questions from Committee Members
Meeting: 11/05/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd (Item 3)
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- Transcript for 11/05/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd
3 COVID-19: Ministerial Scrutiny
Ken
Skates MS, Minister for Economy, Transport and North Wales
Sioned
Evans, Director, Business and Regions, Welsh Government
Emma
Watkins, Deputy Director Economic Policy, Welsh Government
Simon
Jones, Director, Economic Infrastructure, Welsh Government
Huw
Morris, Director, Skills, Higher Education and Lifelong Learning, Welsh
Government
Supporting documents:
- EIS(5)-11-20(P3) Research Briefing
Minutes:
3.1 Ken Skates MS, Minister for Economy, Transport and North
Wales, Sioned Evans, Director, Business and Regions, Welsh Government, Emma
Watkins, Deputy Director Economic Policy, Welsh Government, Simon Jones,
Director, Economic Infrastructure, Welsh Government and Huw Morris, Director,
Skills, Higher Education and Lifelong Learning, Welsh Government answered
questions from Committee Members.
3.2 Ken Skates MS, Minister for Economy, Transport and North Wales has agreed to provide the Committee with further details as discussed at the meeting
Meeting: 30/04/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd (Item 2)
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2 COVID-19: Business and Job Support Panel 1
Joshua Miles, Policy Manager, Federation of Small Businesses Wales
Adrian Greason-Walker, Policy Advocate, Wales Tourism Alliance
Leighton Jenkins, Assistant Director, CBI Wales
Supporting documents:
- EIS(5)-10-20(P1) Research Briefing
Minutes:
2.1 Ian Price Director CBI Wales substituted for Leighton
Jenkins, Assistant Director CBI Wales.
2.2 Joshua Miles, Policy Manager, Federation of Small
Businesses Wales, Adrian Greason-Walker, Policy Advocate, Wales Tourism
Alliance and Ian Price Director CBI Wales answered questions from Committee
Members.
2.3 Joshua Miles has agreed to provide the committee with further details on a coronavirus survey commissioned by the Federation of Small Businesses Wales
Meeting: 30/04/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd (Item 3)
- Webcast for 30/04/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd
- Transcript for 30/04/2020 - Economy, Infrastructure and Skills Committee - Fifth Senedd
COVID-19: Business and Job Support Panel 2
Shavanah Taj, Acting General Secretary, Trades Union Congress Wales
Mike Payne, Senior Organiser, Wales and South West, GMB Union
Peter Hughes, Regional Secretary, UNITE Wales
Minutes:
3.1 Shavanah Taj, Acting General Secretary, Trades Union Congress Wales, Mike Payne, Senior Organiser, Wales and South West, GMB Union and Peter Hughes, Regional Secretary, UNITE Wales answered questions from Committee Members.