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Agenda and minutes

Venue: Y Siambr - Y_Senedd. View directions

Note: 239(v5) 

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Transcript: Transcript for 06/11/2019 - Plenary

Items
Note No. Item

(45 mins)

1.

Questions to the Minister for Economy and Transport

The Presiding Officer has received notification, under Standing Order 12.58, that the Deputy Minister for Economy and Transport will answer questions on behalf of the Minister.

The Presiding Officer will call party spokespeople to ask questions without notice after Question 2.

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Supporting documents:

Minutes:

The item started at 13.30

The Presiding Officer received notification, under Standing Order 12.58, that the Deputy Minister for Economy and Transport would answer questions on behalf of the Minister.

 

The first 9 questions to the Deputy Minister for Economy and Transport were asked. The Presiding Officer invited party spokespeople to ask questions to the Deputy Minister after question 2.

(45 mins)

2.

Questions to the Counsel General and Brexit Minister (in respect of his Brexit Minister responsibilities)

The Presiding Officer will call party spokespeople to ask questions without notice after Question 3.

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Minutes:

The item started at 14.20

Questions 2 -8 were asked. Question 1 was withdrawn. The Presiding Officer invited party spokespeople to ask questions to the Minister after question 3.

(15 mins)

3.

Debate under Standing Order 25.15 on The Government of Wales Act 2006 (Amendment) Order 2019 - Section 109 Order relating to Electoral Registration Officers (15 mins)

NDM7176 Jeremy Miles (Neath)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales, in accordance with Standing Order 25.15 approves the draft version of The Government of Wales Act 2006 (Amendment) Order 2019.

The draft Order and Explanatory Memorandum were laid in the Table Office on 16 October 2019.

Supporting Document
Proposed Order in Council: The Government of Wales Act 2006 (Amendment) Order 2019

 

Minutes:

The item started at 14.56

NDM7176 Jeremy Miles (Neath)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales, in accordance with Standing Order 25.15 approves the draft version of The Government of Wales Act 2006 (Amendment) Order 2019.

The draft Order and Explanatory Memorandum were laid in the Table Office on 16 October 2019.

The motion was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

4.

Voting Time

Minutes:

There was no voting time.

(20 mins)

5.

Topical Questions

To ask the Minister for Health and Social Services:

 

Jack Sargeant (Alyn and Deeside): What consideration has the Welsh Government made of NHS England’s decision to approve the use of Orkambi and Symkevi?

 

Angela Burns (Carmarthen West and South Pembrokeshire): Will the Minister make a statement on the recent loss of 2763 patients from the waiting list in Cwm Taf Morgannwg Health Board?

 

To ask the First Minister:

 

Leanne Wood (Rhondda): What discussions has the First Minister had with the UK Government on the implications for Wales following the resignation of the Secretary of State for Wales?

 

Minutes:

The item started at 15.00

To ask the Minister for Health and Social Services

Jack Sargeant (Alyn and Deeside): What consideration has the Welsh Government made of NHS England’s decision to approve the use of Orkambi and Symkevi?

Angela Burns (Carmarthen West and South Pembrokeshire): Will the Minister make a statement on the recent loss of 2763 patients from the waiting list in Cwm Taf Morgannwg Health Board?

Answered by the Minister for Finance and Trefnydd

Leanne Wood (Rhondda): What discussions has the First Minister had with the UK Government on the implications for Wales following the resignation of the Secretary of State for Wales?

(5 mins)

6.

90 Second Statements

Minutes:

The item started at 15.24

Vikki Howells made a statement on - Penblwydd Hapus SuperTed.

Nick Ramsay made a statement on - Celebrating Cwmbran’s 70th Birthday – Wales’ only Phase One New Town.

(5 mins)

7.

Motion to vary the order of consideration for amendments at Stage 3 of the Senedd and Elections (Wales) Bill

NDM7175 Elin Jones (Ceredigion)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales, in accordance with Standing Order 26.36:

Agrees to dispose of sections and schedules to the Senedd and Elections (Wales) Bill at Stage 3 in the following order:

a) sections 2 to 9,

b) Schedule 1,

c) sections 10 to 28,

d) Schedule 2,

e) section 29,

f) Schedule 3,

g) sections 30 to 41,

h) section 1,

i) Long title.

 

Minutes:

The item started at 15.27

NDM7175 Elin Jones (Ceredigion)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales, in accordance with Standing Order 26.36:

Agrees to dispose of sections and schedules to the Senedd and Elections (Wales) Bill at Stage 3 in the following order:

a) sections 2 to 9,

b) Schedule 1,

c) sections 10 to 28,

d) Schedule 2,

e) section 29,

f) Schedule 3,

g) sections 30 to 41,

h) section 1,

i) Long title.

The motion was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

(30 mins)

8.

Debate on the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee report: Hepatitis C: Progress towards achieving elimination in Wales

NDM7174 Dai Lloyd (South Wales West)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales:

Notes the report of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee:  Hepatitis C: Progress towards achieving elimination in Wales, which was laid in the Table Office on 27 June 2019.

Note: The response from the Welsh Government to the report was laid in the Table Office on 09 August 2019.

 

Minutes:

The item started at 15.28

NDM7174 Dai Lloyd (South Wales West)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales:

Notes the report of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee: Hepatitis C: Progress towards achieving elimination in Wales, which was laid in the Table Office on 27 June 2019.

The motion was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

(60 mins)

9.

Debate on Petition P-05-854 - Make Learning Disability training mandatory for hospital staff

NDM7177 Janet Finch-Saunders (Aberconwy)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales:

Notes the petition ‘P-05-854 Make Learning Disability training mandatory for hospital staff’ which received 5,654 signatures

P-05-854 Make learning disability training mandatory for hospital staff

 

Minutes:

The item started at 15.56

NDM7177 Janet Finch-Saunders (Aberconwy)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales:

Notes the petition ‘P-05-854 Make Learning Disability training mandatory for hospital staff’ which received 5,654 signatures

P-05-854 Make learning disability training mandatory for hospital staff

The motion was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Due to a technical fault, proceedings were suspended at 16.39 for 15 minutes. The bell was rung 5 minutes before reconvening.

(30 mins)

10.

Plaid Cymru debate - Access to Health Services

NDM7178 Rhun ap Iorwerth (Ynys Môn)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales:

1. Expresses concern with the lack of access to basic medical services, including GPs and NHS dentistry, in many parts of Wales.

2. Calls for the recruitment and retention of additional medical staff to ensure appropriate access to health services across Wales.

The following amendments have been tabled:

Amendment 1 - Rebecca Evans (Gower)

Delete all and replace with:

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales:

1. Notes the positive action underway through the Primary Care Model for Wales to improve people’s access, day and night, to the right professional and service for their particular needs.

2. Notes the marked improvement in the recruitment of doctors to the GP speciality training programme this year.

[If Amendment 1 is agreed amendments 2, 3 and 4 will be de-selected]

Amendment 2 - Caroline Jones (South Wales West)

Add as new point after point 1 and renumber accordingly:

Regrets that over 119,000 patients in Wales are covered by GP practices at risk and calls upon the Welsh Government to ensure that primary care is adequately funded by receiving at least 10 per cent of the overall NHS budget.

Amendment 3 - Darren Millar (Clwyd West)

Add as new point after point 1 and renumber accordingly:

Notes the ongoing concerns of the British Medical Association Cymru regarding the future sustainability of primary care services and the publication of the latest Welsh GP practice heat Map.

British Medical Association - Welsh GP practice heat map April 2019

Amendment 4 - Darren Millar (Clwyd West)

In point 2, after 'staff' insert 'and other health professionals'.

Amendment 5 - Darren Millar (Clwyd West)

Add as new point at end of motion:

Further calls on the Welsh Government to undertake a root and branch review of workforce planning within the Welsh NHS.

 

 

Minutes:

The item started at 16.54

Voting on the motion and amendments under this item was deferred until Voting Time.

A vote was taken on the motion without amendment:

NDM7178 Rhun ap Iorwerth (Ynys Môn)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales:

1. Expresses concern with the lack of access to basic medical services, including GPs and NHS dentistry, in many parts of Wales.

2. Calls for the recruitment and retention of additional medical staff to ensure appropriate access to health services across Wales.

For

Abstain

Against

Total

13

0

32

45

The motion without amendment was not agreed.

The following amendments were tabled:

Amendment 1 - Rebecca Evans (Gower)

Delete all and replace with:

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales:

1. Notes the positive action underway through the Primary Care Model for Wales to improve people’s access, day and night, to the right professional and service for their particular needs.

2. Notes the marked improvement in the recruitment of doctors to the GP speciality training programme this year.

A vote was taken on amendment 1:

For

Abstain

Against

Total

25

0

21

46

Amendment 1 was agreed/not agreed.

As Amendment 1 was agreed amendments 2, 3 and 4 were de-selected

Amendment 5 - Darren Millar (Clwyd West)

Add as new point at end of motion:

Further calls on the Welsh Government to undertake a root and branch review of workforce planning within the Welsh NHS.

A vote was taken on amendment 5:

For

Abstain

Against

Total

20

0

26

46

Amendment 5 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on the motion as amended:

NDM7178 Rhun ap Iorwerth (Ynys Môn)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales:

1. Notes the positive action underway through the Primary Care Model for Wales to improve people’s access, day and night, to the right professional and service for their particular needs.

2. Notes the marked improvement in the recruitment of doctors to the GP speciality training programme this year.

For

Abstain

Against

Total

26

0

20

46

The motion as amended was agreed.

 

(30 mins)

11.

Plaid Cymru debate - Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board's New Rotas

NDM7179 Rhun ap Iorwerth (Ynys Môn)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales:

1. Opposes Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board’s decision to introduce new rotas that will extend shifts for nursing staff from January 2020.

2. Believes this is a damaging and retrograde step - particularly at a time when more than one in ten nursing posts in the health board is vacant.

3. Notes that BCUHB has been in special measures for the past four years and is therefore under the direct control of the Minister for Health and Social Services.

4. Calls on the Welsh Government to overturn the decision and protect nurses’ working conditions.

The following amendments have been tabled:

Amendment 1 - Rebecca Evans (Gower)

Delete all and replace with:

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales:

1. Values the NHS workforce and our social partnership working arrangements in Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board (BCUHB), and in all health boards across Wales.

2. Notes that BCUHB continues to engage with nursing staff and their trades unions on changes to nursing rotas.

[If Amendment 1 is agreed amendments 2, 3 and 4 will be de-selected]

Amendment 2 - Darren Millar (Clwyd West)

Insert as new point after point 2 and renumber accordingly:

Further regrets that the number of working days lost due to stress and mental health related issues within the health board has increased by 20 per cent since 2014.

Amendment 3 - Darren Millar (Clwyd West)

In point 3, delete 'the past' and replace with 'more than'.

Amendment 4 - Darren Millar (Clwyd West)

Insert as new point after point 3 and renumber accordingly:

Regrets that the Minister for Health and Social Services has failed to prevent this decision from being made.

Amendment 5 - Caroline Jones (South Wales West)

Add as new point at end of motion:

Further calls on the Welsh Government to ensure that Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board and other health boards across Wales do not attempt to circumvent the Nurse Staffing Levels (Wales) Act 2016 by reclassifying working patterns.

Nurse Staffing Levels (Wales) Act 2016

 

 

Minutes:

The item started at 17.28

Voting on the motion and amendments under this item was deferred until Voting Time.

A vote was taken on the motion without amendment:

NDM7179 Rhun ap Iorwerth (Ynys Môn)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales:

1. Opposes Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board’s decision to introduce new rotas that will extend shifts for nursing staff from January 2020.

2. Believes this is a damaging and retrograde step - particularly at a time when more than one in ten nursing posts in the health board is vacant.

3. Notes that BCUHB has been in special measures for the past four years and is therefore under the direct control of the Minister for Health and Social Services.

4. Calls on the Welsh Government to overturn the decision and protect nurses’ working conditions.

For

Abstain

Against

Total

13

0

33

46

The motion without amendment was not agreed.

The following amendments were tabled:

Amendment 1 - Rebecca Evans (Gower)

Delete all and replace with:

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales:

1. Values the NHS workforce and our social partnership working arrangements in Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board (BCUHB), and in all health boards across Wales.

2. Notes that BCUHB continues to engage with nursing staff and their trades unions on changes to nursing rotas.

A vote was taken on amendment 1:

For

Abstain

Against

Total

26

0

20

46

Amendment 1 was agreed.

As Amendment 1 was agreed, amendments 2, 3 and 4 were de-selected

Amendment 5 - Caroline Jones (South Wales West)

Add as new point at end of motion:

Further calls on the Welsh Government to ensure that Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board and other health boards across Wales do not attempt to circumvent the Nurse Staffing Levels (Wales) Act 2016 by reclassifying working patterns.

A vote was taken on amendment 5:

For

Abstain

Against

Total

20

0

26

46

Amendment 5 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on the motion as amended:

NDM7179 Rhun ap Iorwerth (Ynys Môn)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales:

1. Values the NHS workforce and our social partnership working arrangements in Betsi Cadwaladr University Health Board (BCUHB), and in all health boards across Wales.

2. Notes that BCUHB continues to engage with nursing staff and their trades unions on changes to nursing rotas.

For

Abstain

Against

Total

26

6

14

46

The motion as amended was agreed.

 

12.

Voting Time

Minutes:

The item started at 17.52

 

Votes Summary

Supporting documents:

(30 mins)

13.

Short Debate

NDM7171 Paul Davies (Preseli Pembrokeshire)

Remembrance and respect: why we should protect war memorials in Wales.

 

Minutes:

The item started at 17.57

NDM7171 Paul Davies (Preseli Pembrokeshire)

Remembrance and respect: why we should protect war memorials in Wales.

 

 

 

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