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Agenda and minutes

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Contact: Llinos Madeley 

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Transcript: Transcript for 18/10/2018 - Children, Young People and Education Committee

Items
Note No. Item

(09.30)

1.

Introductions, apologies, substitutions and declarations of interest

Minutes:

1.1        The Chair welcomed Members to the Committee, there were no apologies.

1.2        Under Standing Order 17.24 Hefin David AM declared his daughter benefitted from the Childcare Offer.

(09.30 - 13.00)

2.

Childcare Funding (Wales) Bill: Stage 2 Proceedings

Huw Irranca-Davies AM, Minister for Children, Older People and Social Care

Owain Lloyd, Deputy Director – Childcare, Play and Early Years Division

Tracy Hull, Legal Services 

 

In accordance with Standing Order 26.21, the order of consideration for Stage 2 proceedings will be: Sections 1 to 13; Long title.

 

Documents relevant to Stage 2 proceedings are available on the Bill page.

Minutes:

2.1 In accordance with Standing Order 26.21, the Committee disposed of the following amendments to the Bill:

 

Amendment 36 (Suzy Davies)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Lynne Neagle

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

Dawn Bowden

 

Julie Morgan

 

Hefin David

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

Amendment 36 was not agreed. Michelle Brown was not present.


Amendment 3 (Llyr Gruffydd)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Llyr Gruffydd

Lynne Neagle

 

Dawn Bowden

 

Julie Morgan

 

Hefin David

 

 

Suzy Davies

 

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

 

Amendment 3 was not agreed. Michelle Brown was present but did note vote.


Amendment 4A (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Lynne Neagle

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

Dawn Bowden

 

Michelle Brown

Julie Morgan

 

Hefin David

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

Amendment 4A was not agreed.

 

Amendment 4 (Llyr Gruffydd)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Lynne Neagle

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

Dawn Bowden

 

Llyr Gruffydd

Julie Morgan

 

Michelle Brown

Hefin David

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 4 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 5 (Llyr Gruffydd) was withdrawn in accordance with Standing 22.66(i)

 

Amendment 19 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Lynne Neagle

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

Dawn Bowden

 

Llyr Gruffydd

Julie Morgan

 

Michelle Brown

Hefin David

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 19 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 20 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Lynne Neagle

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

Dawn Bowden

 

Llyr Gruffydd

Julie Morgan

 

Michelle Brown

Hefin David

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 20 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 37 (Suzy Davies)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Lynne Neagle

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

Dawn Bowden

 

Llyr Gruffydd

Julie Morgan

 

Michelle Brown

Hefin David

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 37 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 6 (Llyr Gruffydd)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Llyr Gruffydd

Lynne Neagle

 

Dawn Bowden

 

Julie Morgan

 

Hefin David

 

 

Suzy Davies

 

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

 

 

Michelle Brown

 

Amendment 6 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 11 (Huw Irranca-Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i)

 

Amendment 21 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Lynne Neagle

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

Dawn Bowden

 

Michelle Brown

Julie Morgan

 

Hefin David

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

Amendment 21 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 12 (Huw Irranca-Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 13 (Huw Irranca-Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 14 (Huw Irranca-Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 15 (Huw Irranca-Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 16 (Huw Irranca-Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 7 (Llyr Gruffydd)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Llyr Gruffydd

Lynne Neagle

 

 

Dawn Bowden

 

Julie Morgan

 

Hefin David

 

 

Suzy Davies

 

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

 

 

Michelle Brown

 

Amendment 7 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 17 (Huw Irranca-Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 38 (Suzy Davies)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Lynne Neagle

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

Dawn Bowden

 

Llyr Gruffydd

Julie Morgan

 

Michelle Brown

Hefin David

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 38 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 39 (Suzy Davies)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Lynne Neagle

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

Dawn Bowden

 

Llyr Gruffydd

Julie Morgan

 

Michelle Brown

Hefin David

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 39 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 18 (Huw Irranca-Davies)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Lynne Neagle

Michelle Brown

 

Hefin David

Janet Finch-Saunders

 

Julie Morgan

Suzy Davies

 

Dawn Bowden

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

 

Amendment 18 was agreed.

 

Amendment 22 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Lynne Neagle

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

Dawn Bowden

 

Llyr Gruffydd

Julie Morgan

 

Michelle Brown

Hefin David

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 22 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 23 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Lynne Neagle

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

Dawn Bowden

 

Michelle Brown

Julie Morgan

 

Hefin David

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

Amendment 23 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 24 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Lynne Neagle

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

Dawn Bowden

 

Michelle Brown

Julie Morgan

 

Hefin David

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

Amendment 24 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 25 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Lynne Neagle

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

Dawn Bowden

 

Llyr Gruffydd

Julie Morgan

 

Michelle Brown

Hefin David

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 25 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 8 (Llyr Gruffydd)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Lynne Neagle

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

Dawn Bowden

 

Llyr Gruffydd

Julie Morgan

 

Michelle Brown

Hefin David

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 8 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 40 (Suzy Davies)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Lynne Neagle

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

Dawn Bowden

 

Llyr Gruffydd

Julie Morgan

 

Michelle Brown

Hefin David

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 40 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 9 (Llyr Gruffydd)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Lynne Neagle

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

Dawn Bowden

 

Llyr Gruffydd

Julie Morgan

 

Michelle Brown

Hefin David

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 9 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 41 (Suzy Davies)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Lynne Neagle

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

Dawn Bowden

 

Llyr Gruffydd

Julie Morgan

 

Michelle Brown

Hefin David

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 41 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 42 (Suzy Davies)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Lynne Neagle

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

Dawn Bowden

 

Llyr Gruffydd

Julie Morgan

 

Michelle Brown

Hefin David

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 42 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 26 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Lynne Neagle

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

Dawn Bowden

 

Michelle Brown

Julie Morgan

 

Hefin David

 

 

Llyr Gruffydd

 

Amendment 26 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 27 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Lynne Neagle

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

Dawn Bowden

 

Llyr Gruffydd

Julie Morgan

 

Michelle Brown

Hefin David

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 27 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 28 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Lynne Neagle

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

Dawn Bowden

 

Llyr Gruffydd

Julie Morgan

 

Michelle Brown

Hefin David

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 28 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 29 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Lynne Neagle

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

Dawn Bowden

 

Llyr Gruffydd

Julie Morgan

 

Michelle Brown

Hefin David

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 29 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 30 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Lynne Neagle

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

Dawn Bowden

 

Llyr Gruffydd

Julie Morgan

 

Michelle Brown

Hefin David

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 30 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 1 (Huw Irranca-Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

Amendment 2 (Huw Irranca-Davies) was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 17.34(i).

 

Amendment 43 (Suzy Davies)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Lynne Neagle

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

Dawn Bowden

 

Llyr Gruffydd

Julie Morgan

 

Michelle Brown

Hefin David

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 43 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 31 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Lynne Neagle

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

Dawn Bowden

 

Llyr Gruffydd

Julie Morgan

 

Michelle Brown

Hefin David

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 31 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 10 (Llyr Gruffydd)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Lynne Neagle

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

Dawn Bowden

 

Llyr Gruffydd

Julie Morgan

 

Michelle Brown

Hefin David

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 10 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 32 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Lynne Neagle

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

Dawn Bowden

 

Llyr Gruffydd

Julie Morgan

 

Michelle Brown

Hefin David

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 32 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 33 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Lynne Neagle

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

Dawn Bowden

 

Llyr Gruffydd

Julie Morgan

 

Michelle Brown

Hefin David

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 33 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 34 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Lynne Neagle

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

Dawn Bowden

 

Llyr Gruffydd

Julie Morgan

 

Michelle Brown

Hefin David

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 34 was not agreed.

 

 

Amendment 35 (Janet Finch-Saunders)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Lynne Neagle

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

Dawn Bowden

 

Llyr Gruffydd

Julie Morgan

 

Michelle Brown

Hefin David

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 35 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 44 (Suzy Davies)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Lynne Neagle

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

Dawn Bowden

 

Llyr Gruffydd

Julie Morgan

 

Michelle Brown

Hefin David

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 44 was not agreed.

 

Amendment 45 (Suzy Davies) was not moved.

 

Amendment 46 (Suzy Davies)

In Favour

Against

Abstain

Suzy Davies

Lynne Neagle

 

Janet Finch-Saunders

Dawn Bowden

 

Llyr Gruffydd

Julie Morgan

 

Michelle Brown

Hefin David

 

As the vote was tied, the Chair used her casting vote in the negative (in accordance with SO 6.20 (ii)).  Therefore amendment 46 was not agreed.

 

 

2.2 The Chair confirmed that all sections and schedules of the Bill have been deemed agreed, completing Stage 2 proceedings.

 

2.3 The Committee agreed to write to the Minister for clarity on who is registered to provide childcare.

 

 

(13.00)

3.

Paper to note

Minutes:

3.1 The papers were noted.

3.1

Inquiry into Targeted Funding to Improve Education Outcomes - Welsh Government response to the Committee's report

Supporting documents:

3.2

Letter from the Chair of the Petitions Committee - Petition P-05-821 Reintroduce educational support funding for MEAS and the TES to local authorities

Supporting documents:

3.3

Letter from Owen Smith MP - Related to inconsistencies by WJEC in marking

Supporting documents:

(13.00)

4.

Motion under Standing Order 17.42(ix) to resolve to exclude the public from the whole of the meeting on 24 October

Minutes:

4.1 The Motion was agreed

 

 

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