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Transcript: Transcript for 06/10/2021 - Plenary
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This meeting was held in a hybrid format, with some Members
in the Senedd Chamber and others joining by video-conference. |
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(45 mins) |
Questions to the Minister for Climate Change The
Presiding Officer will call Party Spokespeople to ask questions without notice
after Question 2. Supporting documents: Minutes: The
item started at 13.31 The
first 8 questions were asked. Questions 1, 2, 4 and 5 were answered by the
Deputy Minister for Climate Change. The Presiding Officer invited party
spokespeople to ask questions to the Minister after question 2. |
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(45 mins) |
Questions to the Minister for Education and Welsh Language The
Presiding Officer will call Party Spokespeople to ask questions without notice
after Question 2. Minutes: The
item started at 14.22 The
questions 1-2 and 4-8 were asked. Question 3 was withdrawn. The Presiding
Officer invited party spokespeople to ask questions to the Minister after
question 2. |
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Llywydd's Statement The Llywydd condemned the protests held on the Senedd estate the previous evening, informed Members that the relevant authorities were reviewing the events, and would provide an update to Members in due course. |
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(20 mins) |
Topical Questions To
ask the Minister for Social Justice Sioned Williams (South
Wales West):
What does the Welsh Government intend to do to mitigate the effects of the UK
Government's decision to remove the universal credit uplift from today? Minutes: The
item started at 15.03 To
ask the Minister for Social Justice Sioned Williams (South
Wales West):
What does the Welsh Government intend to do to mitigate the effects of the UK Government’s
decision to remove the universal credit uplift from today? |
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(5 mins) |
90 Second Statements Minutes: The
item started at 15.19 Mike
Hedges made a statement on: Retirement of Joy Aman Davies as conductor of
Morriston Orpheus after 30 years’ service with Choir. Heledd
Fychan made a statement on Remembering Magi Dodd, Radio Cymru producer and
presenter. Natasha
Asghar made a statement on Breast Cancer Month. |
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(5 mins) |
Motion to suspend Standing Orders to allow items 5–8 to be debated The
item started at 15.24 NDM7802
Elin Jones
(Ceredigion) To
propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Orders 33.6 and 33.8: Suspends
Standing Order 12.10(ii) and that part of Standing Order 11.16 that requires
the weekly announcement under Standing Order 11.11 to constitute the timetable
for business in Plenary for the following week, to allow NDM7798, NDM7799,
NDM7800 and NDM 7801 to be considered in Plenary on Wednesday, 6 October 2021. The
motion was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36. |
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(5 mins) |
A proposal under Standing Order 12.24 to debate items 5–8 together but with separate votes was agreed. |
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Motion under Standing Order 16.1 to establish a Committee for the Scrutiny of the First Minister NDM7798 Elin Jones
(Ceredigion) To
propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 16.1, establishes a
Committee for the Scrutiny of the First Minister to scrutinise the First
Minister on any matter relevant to the exercise of the functions of the Welsh
Government. Minutes: The item started at
15.24 NDM7798 Elin Jones (Ceredigion) To
propose that the Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 16.1, establishes a Committee
for the Scrutiny of the First Minister to scrutinise the First Minister on any
matter relevant to the exercise of the functions of the Welsh Government. The motion was agreed in accordance with
Standing Order 12.36. |
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Motion under Standing Order 17.2T and 17.3 to elect members and a Chair to the Committee for the Scrutiny of the First Minister NDM7799
Elin Jones
(Ceredigion) To
propose that the Senedd: 1.
In accordance with Standing Order 17.2T, resolves that Standing Orders 17.2A to
17.2S (election of committee chairs) shall not apply in relation to the
Committee for the Scrutiny of the First Minister. 2.
In accordance with Standing Order 17.3, elects: a)
John Griffiths (Welsh Labour), Jenny Rathbone (Welsh Labour), Jack Sargeant
(Welsh Labour), Paul Davies (Welsh Conservatives), Russell George (Welsh
Conservatives) and Llyr Gruffydd (Plaid Cymru), as members of the Committee for
the Scrutiny of the First Minister; and b)
David Rees (Deputy Presiding Officer) as Chair of the Committee for the
Scrutiny of the First Minister. Minutes: The item started at
15.24 NDM7799
Elin Jones (Ceredigion) To
propose that the Senedd: 1.
In accordance with Standing Order 17.2T, resolves that Standing Orders 17.2A to
17.2S (election of committee chairs) shall not apply in relation to the
Committee for the Scrutiny of the First Minister. 2.
In accordance with Standing Order 17.3, elects: a)
John Griffiths (Welsh Labour), Jenny Rathbone (Welsh Labour), Jack Sargeant
(Welsh Labour), Paul Davies (Welsh Conservatives), Russell George (Welsh
Conservatives) and Llyr Gruffydd (Plaid Cymru), as members of the Committee for
the Scrutiny of the First Minister; and b)
David Rees (Deputy Presiding Officer) as Chair of the Committee for the
Scrutiny of the First Minister. The motion was agreed in accordance with
Standing Order 12.36. |
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Motion under Standing Order 16.5 to establish a Special Purpose Committee on Senedd Reform NDM7781 Elin
Jones (Ceredigion) To propose that the
Senedd, in accordance with Standing Order 16.5: 1. Establishes a
Special Purpose Committee on Senedd Reform. 2. Agrees that the
remit of the Committee is: a) to consider the
conclusions previously reached by the Committee on Senedd Electoral Reform in
the Fifth Senedd as set out in its report Senedd reform: The next steps laid before the
Senedd on 10 September 2020; b) by 31 May 2022,
to make recommendations for policy instructions for a Welsh Government Bill on
Senedd Reform. 3. Agrees that the
Committee will be dissolved following a Plenary debate on its final report. Minutes: The item started at
15.24 NDM7801
Elin
Jones (Ceredigion) To propose that the Senedd, in
accordance with Standing Order 16.5: 1. Establishes a Special Purpose
Committee on Senedd Reform. 2. Agrees that the remit of the
Committee is: a) to consider the conclusions
previously reached by the Committee on Senedd Electoral Reform in the Fifth
Senedd as set out in its report Senedd reform: The next steps laid
before the Senedd on 10 September 2020; b) by 31 May 2022, to make
recommendations for policy instructions for a Welsh Government Bill on Senedd
Reform. 3. Agrees that the Committee will
be dissolved following a Plenary debate on its final report. The motion was agreed in accordance with
Standing Order 12.36. |
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Motion under Standing Order 17.2T, 17.3, 33.6 and 33.8 to elect members and a Chair to the Special Purpose Committee on Senedd Reform, to suspend Standing Orders in relation to that committee, and to agree voting arrangements in the committee NDM7800 Elin Jones (Ceredigion) To
propose that the Senedd: 1.
In accordance with Standing Order 17.2T, resolves that Standing Orders 17.2A to
17.2S (election of committee chairs) shall not apply in relation to the Special
Purpose Committee on Senedd Reform; 2.
In accordance with Standing Order 17.3, elects: a)
Jayne Bryant (Welsh Labour), Darren Millar (Welsh Conservatives), Sian
Gwenllian (Plaid Cymru), and Jane Dodds (Liberal Democrat) as members of the
Special Purpose Committee on Senedd Reform; b)
Elin Jones (Llywydd) as a member of the Special Purpose Committee on Senedd
Reform; c)
Huw Irranca-Davies (Welsh Labour) as Chair of the Special Purpose Committee on
Senedd Reform. 3.
In accordance with Standing Orders 33.6 and 33.8, resolves that Standing Orders
17.37 to 17.39 shall not apply in relation to the Special Purpose Committee on
Senedd Reform. 4.
Resolves that, where a vote is necessary to dispose of business, voting in the
Special Purpose Committee on Senedd Reform will operate as follows: a)
the chair may vote only in the exercise of a casting vote; b)
the Llywydd may not vote; c)
all other members of the Committee may vote and, if they belong to a political
group, each member carries one vote for each member of the political group to
which they belong (including himself or herself and the Presiding Officer and
Deputy if they are members of his or her political group); d)
a resolution to agree recommendations to
the Senedd must be passed on a vote in which the members voting in favour carry
at least 40 votes. Minutes: The item started at
15.24 NDM7800 Elin Jones (Ceredigion) To
propose that the Senedd: 1.
In accordance with Standing Order 17.2T, resolves that Standing Orders 17.2A to
17.2S (election of committee chairs) shall not apply in relation to the Special
Purpose Committee on Senedd Reform; 2.
In accordance with Standing Order 17.3, elects: a)
Jayne Bryant (Welsh Labour), Darren Millar (Welsh Conservatives), Sian
Gwenllian (Plaid Cymru), and Jane Dodds (Liberal Democrat) as members of the
Special Purpose Committee on Senedd Reform; b)
Elin Jones (Llywydd) as a member of the Special Purpose Committee on Senedd
Reform; c)
Huw Irranca-Davies (Welsh Labour) as Chair of the Special Purpose Committee on
Senedd Reform. 3.
In accordance with Standing Orders 33.6 and 33.8, resolves that Standing Orders
17.37 to 17.39 shall not apply in relation to the Special Purpose Committee on
Senedd Reform. 4.
Resolves that, where a vote is necessary to dispose of business, voting in the
Special Purpose Committee on Senedd Reform will operate as follows: a)
the chair may vote only in the exercise of a casting vote; b)
the Llywydd may not vote; c)
all other members of the Committee may vote and, if they belong to a political
group, each member carries one vote for each member of the political group to
which they belong (including himself or herself and the Presiding Officer and
Deputy if they are members of his or her political group); d)
a resolution to agree recommendations to the Senedd must be passed on a vote in
which the members voting in favour carry at least 40 votes. The motion was agreed in accordance with
Standing Order 12.36. In accordance with Standing Order 12.18, at 15.25
the meeting was suspended by the Presiding Officer. |
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(60 mins) |
Welsh Conservatives Debate – Mental health NDM7793 Darren
Millar (Clwyd West) To propose that the Senedd: 1. Notes that Sunday 10 October is world
mental health day. 2. Recognises the impact of COVID-19 on mental
health support and mental health inequalities. 3. Regrets that the number of young people
presenting at hospital with self-harming issues has risen by 39 per cent since
2007. 4. Calls on the Welsh Government to include in
its replacement 10-year mental health strategy next year: a) actions to implement recommendations from
the Fifth Senedd's Children, Young People and Education Committee’s reports,
Mind over Matter and Mind over Matter: Two years on; b) annual reports and the establishment of
targets for waiting times for mental health treatment, including the reduction
of backlogs; c) a national rollout of 24-hour mental health
crisis centres; d) a clear mental health workforce plan. 5. Further calls on the Welsh Government to
introduce a new mental health Act. Mind
Over Matter: Two years on The following amendments have been tabled: Amendment 1 Lesley Griffiths (Wrexham) Delete all after point 2 and replace with: Notes the commitment to review the evidence,
data and current service provision around all age self-harm in Wales. Welcomes the Welsh Government's continued
commitment to: a) implement recommendations from the Fifth
Senedd's Children, Young People and Education Committee’s reports, Mind over
Matter and Mind over Matter: Two years on; b) strengthen and publish mental health
waiting time data and improve performance across Wales; c) a national roll-out of 24-hour mental
health crisis support; d) a clear mental health workforce plan. Calls on the Welsh Government to ensure the
reform of the UK Mental Health Act is fit for Wales and aligns with current
related legislation in Wales. [If amendment 1 is agreed, amendment 2 will be
de-selected] Amendment 2 Sian Gwenllian (Arfon) Add as new sub-point at end of point 4: 'the roll-out of a network of preventative
youth mental health and wellbeing centres’. Minutes: The item started at 15.37 Voting on the motion and amendments under
this item was deferred until Voting Time. A vote was taken on the motion without
amendment: NDM7793 Darren Millar (Clwyd West)
To propose that the Senedd: 1. Notes that Sunday 10 October is
world mental health day. 2. Recognises the impact of
COVID-19 on mental health support and mental health inequalities. 3. Regrets that the number of young
people presenting at hospital with self-harming issues has risen by 39 per cent
since 2007. 4. Calls on the Welsh Government to
include in its replacement 10-year mental health strategy next year: a) actions to implement
recommendations from the Fifth Senedd's Children, Young People and Education
Committee’s reports, Mind over Matter and Mind over Matter: Two years on; b) annual reports and the
establishment of targets for waiting times for mental health treatment,
including the reduction of backlogs; c) a national rollout of 24-hour
mental health crisis centres; d) a clear mental health workforce
plan. 5. Further calls on the Welsh
Government to introduce a new mental health Act. Mind
Over Matter: Two years on
The motion without amendment was not agreed. The following amendments were tabled: Amendment 1 Lesley
Griffiths (Wrexham) Delete all after point 2 and
replace with: Welcomes
the Welsh Government's continued commitment to: a)
implement recommendations from the Fifth Senedd's Children, Young People and
Education Committee’s reports, Mind over Matter and Mind over Matter: Two years
on; b)
strengthen and publish mental health waiting time data and improve performance
across Wales; c)
a national roll-out of 24-hour mental health crisis support; d)
a clear mental health workforce plan. Calls
on the Welsh Government to ensure the reform of the UK Mental Health Act is fit
for Wales and aligns with current related legislation in Wales. A vote was taken on amendment 1:
Amendment 1 was agreed. As amendment 1 was agreed,
amendment 2 was de-selected. A vote was taken on the motion as amended: To propose that the Senedd: 1. Notes that Sunday 10 October is world
mental health day. 2. Recognises the impact of
COVID-19 on mental health support and mental health inequalities. 3. Notes the commitment to review the
evidence, data and current service provision around all age self-harm in
Wales. 4. Welcomes the Welsh Government's continued
commitment to: a) implement recommendations from the Fifth
Senedd's Children, Young People and Education Committee’s reports, Mind over
Matter and Mind over Matter: Two years on; b) strengthen and publish mental health
waiting time data and improve performance across Wales; c) a national roll-out of 24-hour mental
health crisis support; d) a clear mental health workforce plan. 5. Calls on the Welsh Government to ensure
the reform of the UK Mental Health Act is fit for Wales and aligns with current
related legislation in Wales.
The motion as amended was agreed. |
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(30 mins) |
Plaid Cymru debate – Healthcare workers’ pay NDM7791 Sian Gwenllian (Arfon) To propose that the
Senedd: 1. Supports Unite,
Unison and the Royal College of Nursing’s efforts to achieve fair pay for all
healthcare workers. 2. Calls on the
Welsh Government, in its current discussions with the healthcare unions, to
commit to a real terms pay rise above that proposed by the NHS pay review body. The following
amendments have been tabled: Amendment
1 Darren Millar (Clwyd
West) Delete
all and replace with: To
propose that the Senedd: 1.
Recognises the dedication and sacrifice of all staff in the health and social
care workforce in Wales. 2.
Welcomes the historic levels of funding by Her Majesty’s Government to all
regions and nations of the UK, including Wales, in successive budgets and in
the fight against COVID-19. 3.
Notes the recommendations from the independent NHS pay review body in Wales and
the Welsh Government’s decision to award NHS staff a 3 per cent pay rise. 4.
Calls on the Welsh Government to urgently tackle working conditions such as
mental health support, retention, upskilling and filling staffing gaps within
the NHS, to ensure we have a workforce fit for the future. [If
amendment 1 is agreed, amendment 2 will be de-selected] Amendment
2 Lesley Griffiths
(Wrexham) Delete
point 2 and replace with: Calls
on the Welsh Government to continue to engage with NHS Wales trade unions
including on NHS pay. Minutes: The item started at 16.31 Voting on the motion and amendments under
this item was deferred until Voting Time. A vote was taken on the motion without
amendment: NDM7791 Sian Gwenllian (Arfon)
To propose that the Senedd: 1. Supports Unite, Unison and the
Royal College of Nursing’s efforts to achieve fair pay for all healthcare
workers. 2. Calls on the Welsh Government,
in its current discussions with the healthcare unions, to commit to a real
terms pay rise above that proposed by the NHS pay review body.
The motion without amendment was not agreed. The following amendments were tabled: Amendment
1 Darren Millar (Clwyd West) Delete
all and replace with: To
propose that the Senedd: 1.
Recognises the dedication and sacrifice of all staff in the health and social
care workforce in Wales. 2.
Welcomes the historic levels of funding by Her Majesty’s Government to all
regions and nations of the UK, including Wales, in successive budgets and in
the fight against COVID-19. 3.
Notes the recommendations from the independent NHS pay review body in Wales and
the Welsh Government’s decision to award NHS staff a 3 per cent pay rise. 4.
Calls on the Welsh Government to urgently tackle working conditions such as
mental health support, retention, upskilling and filling staffing gaps within
the NHS, to ensure we have a workforce fit for the future. A vote was taken on amendment 1:
Amendment 1 was not agreed. Amendment
2 Lesley Griffiths (Wrexham) Delete
point 2 and replace with: Calls
on the Welsh Government to continue to engage with NHS Wales trade unions
including on NHS pay. A vote was taken on amendment 2:
Amendment 2 was agreed. A vote was taken on the motion as amended: NDM7791 Sian Gwenllian (Arfon)
To propose that the Senedd: 1. Supports Unite, Unison and the
Royal College of Nursing’s efforts to achieve fair pay for all healthcare
workers. 2. Calls on the Welsh Government to continue to engage with
NHS Wales trade unions including on NHS pay.
The motion as amended was agreed. |
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(30 mins) |
Plaid Cymru Debate – NHS winter pressures NDM7792 Sian
Gwenllian (Arfon) To propose that the
Senedd: Calls on the Welsh
Government to publish a winter plan to tackle the pressures faced by the NHS
during the winter months. The following
amendment has been tabled: Amendment 1 Lesley Griffiths (Wrexham) Delete all and
replace with: To propose that the
Senedd: Notes that the
Welsh Government will publish a health and social care winter plan in the week
commencing 18 October 2021. Minutes: The item started at 17.04 Voting on the motion and amendments under
this item was deferred until Voting Time. A vote was taken on the motion without
amendment: NDM7792 Sian
Gwenllian (Arfon) To propose that the Senedd: Calls on the Welsh Government to
publish a winter plan to tackle the pressures faced by the NHS during the
winter months.
The motion without amendment was not agreed. The following amendments were tabled: Amendment 1 Lesley
Griffiths (Wrexham) Delete all and replace with: To propose that the Senedd: Notes that the Welsh Government
will publish a health and social care winter plan in the week commencing 18
October 2021. A vote was taken on amendment 1:
Amendment 1 was agreed. A vote was taken on the motion as amended: NDM7792 Sian
Gwenllian (Arfon) To propose that the Senedd: Notes that the Welsh Government
will publish a health and social care winter plan in the week commencing 18
October 2021.
The motion as amended was agreed. |
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Voting Time Minutes: In
accordance with Standing Order 12.18, at 17.30 proceedings were suspended to
allow a technical break before voting time. The
item started at 17.34 |
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Votes Summary Supporting documents: |
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(30 mins) |
Short Debate NDM7790 Peredur Owen Griffiths (South Wales East) Fit for the 21st
Century: how can Wales give better support to help people overcome substance
addiction. Minutes: The
item started at 17.41 NDM7790 Peredur Owen Griffiths
(South Wales East) Fit for the 21st Century: how can
Wales give better support to help people overcome substance addiction. |