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Transcript: Transcript for 25/11/2020 - Plenary - Fifth Senedd
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This meeting was held in a hybrid format, with some Members in the Senedd Chamber and others joining by video-conference. |
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(45 mins) |
Questions to the Minister for Finance and Trefnydd The
Presiding Officer will call party spokespeople to ask questions without notice
after Question 2. Supporting documents: Minutes: The item started at 13.30 Questions 1 and 3-9 were asked. Question 2 was not asked. The Presiding Officer invited party spokespeople to ask questions to the Minister after question 2. |
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Questions to the Minister for Education The
Presiding Officer will call party spokespeople to ask questions without notice
after Question 2. Minutes: The
item started at 14.17 The
first 7 questions were asked. The Presiding Officer invited party spokespeople
to ask questions to the Minister after question 2. |
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(30 mins) |
Questions to the Senedd Commission Minutes: The
item started at 15.04 All
6 questions were asked. |
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(0 mins) |
Topical Questions No
Topical Questions have been accepted. Minutes: No
Topical Questions were accepted |
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(5 mins) |
90 Second Statements Minutes: The
item started at 15.25 Vikki
Howells made a statement on: The groundbreaking achievements of Elaine Morgan,
renowned writer, journalist and revolutionary anthropologist. Rhun
ap Iorwerth made a statement on: The Senedd’s local COVID heroes gallery. Huw
Irranca-Davies made a statement on: ESF Fire safety campaign. Delyth
Jewell made a statement on: Jan Morris – A rich, artful life. In accordance with Standing Order 12.18, at 15.33 the Deputy Presiding
Officer suspended the meeting. |
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(30 mins) |
Debate on a Members Legislative Proposal - A deposit return scheme and waste reduction Bill NDM7481 Janet
Finch-Saunders (Aberconwy) To propose that the Senedd: 1. Notes a proposal for a Bill that would make
provisions to introduce a deposit return scheme and to reduce waste in Wales. 2. Notes that the purpose of this Bill
would be to: a) establish the creation of a deposit
return scheme for drinks containers in Wales, which would see consumers pay a
deposit, repayable on return of the container; b) reduce the number of single-use plastic
and glass bottles, as well as steel and aluminium cans; c) respond to increased amounts of
recyclable waste, such as personal protective equipment being used to fight COVID-19,
where a growing number of items are being discarded and affecting our wild and
marine life; and d) increase accountability by establishing
a duty on the Welsh Government to lay an annual report to the Welsh Parliament
detailing specific policies undertaken to reduce the discarding of recyclable
waste and the impact these have had to improve Wales’s natural environment. Supporters Minutes: The item started at
15.42 Voting on the motion under this item was
deferred until Voting Time. NDM7481
Janet Finch-Saunders (Aberconwy)
To
propose that the Senedd: 1.
Notes a proposal for a Bill that would make provisions to introduce a deposit
return scheme and to reduce waste in Wales. 2.
Notes that the purpose of this Bill would be to: a)
establish the creation of a deposit return scheme for drinks containers in
Wales, which would see consumers pay a deposit, repayable on return of the
container; b)
reduce the number of single-use plastic and glass bottles, as well as steel and
aluminium cans; c)
respond to increased amounts of recyclable waste, such as personal protective
equipment being used to fight COVID-19, where a growing number of items are
being discarded and affecting our wild and marine life; and d)
increase accountability by establishing a duty on the Welsh Government to lay
an annual report to the Welsh Parliament detailing specific policies undertaken
to reduce the discarding of recyclable waste and the impact these have had to
improve Wales’s natural environment. Supporters The result was as follows:
The motion was agreed. |
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(60 mins) |
Climate Change, Environment and Rural Affairs Committee debate on the National Development Framework NDM7487 Mike
Hedges (Swansea East) To propose that the
Senedd: 1. Notes the draft
National Development Framework, laid on 21 September 2020. 2. Notes that, in
accordance with Section 3 of the Planning (Wales) Act 2015, the 60-day Senedd
consideration period began on the day on which the draft of the Framework was
laid in the Senedd. 3. Notes that, in
accordance with Section 3 of the Planning (Wales) Act 2015, the Welsh Ministers
must have regard to any resolution passed by the Senedd and any recommendation
made by a committee of the Senedd with regard to the draft during that 60-day
period. Supporting documents The following amendments have been tabled: Amendment 1 Sian
Gwenllian (Arfon) Add as new points
at end of motion: Believes that the revised
four-region model in Future Wales: the national plan 2040: a) has been
inspired by a Conservative, unionist agenda based on the UK Government’s city
and growth deals; b) would drive a
wedge into Wales, splitting the north of our country from the south and would
do little to proactively improve north-south connectivity; and c) would neglect
some of those parts of Wales most in need of regeneration and development,
namely the western seaboard and the valleys of the south. Calls on the Welsh
Government to replace the four-region model proposed in Future Wales: the
national plan 2040 with an alternative regional map of Wales focused on making
Wales a connected, sustainable, prosperous and self-sufficient nation in every
sense. Future
Wales: the national plan 2040 Amendment 2 Sian
Gwenllian (Arfon) Add as new points
at end of motion: Notes that Dr Neil
Harris of Cardiff University, in evidence to the Senedd’s Climate Change,
Environment and Rural Affairs Committee, summarised the approach underpinning
Future Wales: the national plan 2040 as one which is based on urban-focused
growth and stability elsewhere. Believes that the
approach underpinning Future Wales: the national plan 2040: a) threatens to
entrench the failure to distribute wealth, growth and development equally
across Wales as a permanent feature of Wales’s governance in this long-term
plan; and b) will lead to
overdevelopment in the areas already prioritised as preferred locations for
substantial residential and other development, whilst doing little to address
the need for sustainable development in other areas including the need for
social and affordable housing to meet the housing crisis. Believes that the
planning system in Wales must reflect the need for suitable development in the
right places according to local need; give communities a greater say in
developments in their areas and that the planning system must permit holistic
planning at the appropriate level, but believes that the transfer of power and
accountability over planning from local authorities to corporate joint
committees through strategic development plans is likely to further limit the
local voice in planning. Calls on the Welsh
Government to replace the approach which currently underpins Future Wales: the
national plan 2040 with an alternative approach focused on distributing wealth,
power and investment equitably across the whole of Wales by targeting
intervention and growth to the areas in most need. Minutes: The item started at 16.14 Voting on the motion and amendments under
this item was deferred until Voting Time. NDM7487
Mike
Hedges (Swansea East) To
propose that the Senedd: 1.
Notes the draft National Development Framework, laid
on 21 September 2020. 2.
Notes that, in accordance with Section 3 of the Planning (Wales) Act 2015, the
60-day Senedd consideration period began on the day on which the draft of the
Framework was laid in the Senedd. 3.
Notes that, in accordance with Section 3 of the Planning (Wales) Act 2015, the
Welsh Ministers must have regard to any resolution passed by the Senedd and any
recommendation made by a committee of the Senedd with regard to the draft
during that 60-day period. The following amendments were tabled: Amendment
1 Sian Gwenllian (Arfon) Add
as new points at end of motion: Believes
that the revised four-region model in Future Wales: the national plan 2040: a)
has been inspired by a Conservative, unionist agenda based on the UK
Government’s city and growth deals; b)
would drive a wedge into Wales, splitting the north of our country from the
south and would do little to proactively improve north-south connectivity; and c)
would neglect some of those parts of Wales most in need of regeneration and
development, namely the western seaboard and the valleys of the south. Calls
on the Welsh Government to replace the four-region model proposed in Future
Wales: the national plan 2040 with an alternative regional map of Wales focused
on making Wales a connected, sustainable, prosperous and self-sufficient nation
in every sense. Future Wales: the national plan 2040 A vote was taken on amendment 1:
Amendment 1 was not agreed. Amendment
2 Sian Gwenllian (Arfon) Add
as new points at end of motion: Notes
that Dr Neil Harris of Cardiff University, in evidence to the Senedd’s Climate
Change, Environment and Rural Affairs Committee, summarised the approach
underpinning Future Wales: the national plan 2040 as one which is based on
urban-focused growth and stability elsewhere. Believes
that the approach underpinning Future Wales: the national plan 2040: a)
threatens to entrench the failure to distribute wealth, growth and development
equally across Wales as a permanent feature of Wales’s governance in this
long-term plan; and b)
will lead to overdevelopment in the areas already prioritised as preferred
locations for substantial residential and other development, whilst doing
little to address the need for sustainable development in other areas including
the need for social and affordable housing to meet the housing crisis. Believes
that the planning system in Wales must reflect the need for suitable
development in the right places according to local need; give communities a
greater say in developments in their areas and that the planning system must
permit holistic planning at the appropriate level, but believes that the
transfer of power and accountability over planning from local authorities to
corporate joint committees through strategic development plans is likely to
further limit the local voice in planning. Calls
on the Welsh Government to replace the approach which currently underpins
Future Wales: the national plan 2040 with an alternative approach focused on
distributing wealth, power and investment equitably across the whole of Wales
by targeting intervention and growth to the areas in most need. A vote was taken on amendment 2:
Amendment 2 was not agreed. A vote was taken on the motion without
amendment: NDM7487
Mike
Hedges (Swansea East) To
propose that the Senedd: 1.
Notes the draft National Development Framework, laid
on 21 September 2020. 2.
Notes that, in accordance with Section 3 of the Planning (Wales) Act 2015, the
60-day Senedd consideration period began on the day on which the draft of the
Framework was laid in the Senedd. 3.
Notes that, in accordance with Section 3 of the Planning (Wales) Act 2015, the
Welsh Ministers must have regard to any resolution passed by the Senedd and any
recommendation made by a committee of the Senedd with regard to the draft
during that 60-day period.
The motion without amendment was agreed. In accordance with Standing Order 12.18, at 17.16 the Presiding Officer
suspended the meeting. |
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(60 mins) |
Welsh Conservatives debate - The impact of COVID-19 on health services NDM7489 Darren
Millar (Clwyd West) To propose that the Senedd: 1. Notes the BBC Wales Investigates report
that showed a ten-fold increase in patients waiting for all treatments in the
Welsh NHS compared to September 2019. 2. Further notes the warning from leading
cancer experts and charities that 2,000 people could die because of
COVID-related delays in the Welsh NHS. 3. Recognises the hard work, dedication and
commitment of staff in the healthcare sector supporting patients not just with
coronavirus but with a variety of conditions. 4. Regrets that the Minister for Health and
Social Services has estimated that it would take a full parliamentary term to
resume normal services and that it would be foolish to have a plan in place to
tackle the waiting list backlog. 5. Calls on the Welsh Government to: a) immediately boost the use of COVID-free
hospitals, as recommended by the Royal College of Surgeons and the Royal
College of Emergency Medicine; b) conduct an urgent review into how
hospital patients in Wales are being discharged during the pandemic and
implement those findings to tackle bottlenecks in hospitals, as recommended by
the Royal College of Physicians; c) significantly improve its testing regime
to ramp up capacity and ensure that COVID-19 is isolated and kept out of Welsh
hospitals; d) introduce a cancer recovery plan, as
seen elsewhere across the UK, and increase investment in the roll-out of rapid
diagnostic centres across Wales; and e) implement a nationwide campaign to
ensure that people who suspect they have cancer, or need to go to hospital in
an emergency, continue to do so. The following amendments have been tabled: Amendment 1 Rebecca
Evans (Gower) Delete point 1 and replace with: Notes that the Welsh statistics published
on 19 November show an 11 per cent increase in the total numbers waiting for
treatment from September 2019 to September 2020, and it is the growth of waits
over the national target 36 weeks that have increased ninefold, a trend which
has been seen in all areas of the UK. Amendment 2 Rebecca
Evans (Gower) Delete point 4 and replace with: Regrets that Wales, the UK, and the world
will be living with the effects of COVID-19 for many years. Notes that whilst covid remains in our
community, NHS plans are focussed on balancing the safe delivery of COVID and
non-COVID services. Amendment 3 Rebecca
Evans (Gower) Delete sub-point 5(a) and replace with: Work with local clinicians to develop
models of delivery which maximise all resources to deliver safe, quality care
for both COVID and non-COVID pathways to local communities. Amendment 4 Rebecca
Evans (Gower) Delete sub-point 5(d) and replace with: Continue to work with the cancer network
and NHS to ensure cancer services are able to meet new and current demand, and
agree how to deploy future investment to deliver on the agreed commitment for
rapid diagnostic testing. Amendment 5 Rebecca
Evans (Gower) In sub-point 5(e), delete “implement a” and
replace with “continue our”. Amendment 6 Sian
Gwenllian (Arfon) Add as new sub-points at end of point 5: 'conduct a review of performance against
waiting time targets over the past decade to ensure that lessons are learned
about management of waiting lists; consider using the Nightingale hospitals where possible to provide extra capacity for patients recovering from surgery to help increase flow through the system.' Minutes: The item started at 17.23 Voting on the motion and amendments under
this item was deferred until Voting Time. A vote was taken on the motion without
amendment: NDM7489
Darren
Millar (Clwyd West) To
propose that the Senedd: 1.
Notes the BBC Wales Investigates report that showed a ten-fold increase in
patients waiting for all treatments in the Welsh NHS compared to September
2019. 2.
Further notes the warning from leading cancer experts and charities that 2,000
people could die because of COVID-related delays in the Welsh NHS. 3.
Recognises the hard work, dedication and commitment of staff in the healthcare
sector supporting patients not just with coronavirus but with a variety of
conditions. 4.
Regrets that the Minister for Health and Social Services has estimated that it
would take a full parliamentary term to resume normal services and that it
would be foolish to have a plan in place to tackle the waiting list backlog. 5.
Calls on the Welsh Government to: a)
immediately boost the use of COVID-free hospitals, as recommended by the Royal
College of Surgeons and the Royal College of Emergency Medicine; b)
conduct an urgent review into how hospital patients in Wales are being
discharged during the pandemic and implement those findings to tackle
bottlenecks in hospitals, as recommended by the Royal College of Physicians; c)
significantly improve its testing regime to ramp up capacity and ensure that
COVID-19 is isolated and kept out of Welsh hospitals; d)
introduce a cancer recovery plan, as seen elsewhere across the UK, and increase
investment in the roll-out of rapid diagnostic centres across Wales; and e) implement a nationwide campaign to ensure that people
who suspect they have cancer, or need to go to hospital in an emergency,
continue to do so.
The motion without amendment was not agreed. The following amendments were tabled: Amendment
1 Rebecca Evans (Gower) Delete
point 1 and replace with: Notes
that the Welsh statistics published on 19 November show an 11 per cent increase
in the total numbers waiting for treatment from September 2019 to September
2020, and it is the growth of waits over the national target 36 weeks that have
increased ninefold, a trend which has been seen in all areas of the UK. A vote was taken on amendment 1:
Amendment 1 was agreed. Amendment
2 Rebecca Evans (Gower) Delete
point 4 and replace with: Regrets
that Wales, the UK, and the world will be living with the effects of COVID-19
for many years. Notes
that whilst covid remains in our community, NHS plans are focussed on balancing
the safe delivery of COVID and non-COVID services A vote was taken on amendment 2:
Amendment 2 was agreed. Amendment
3 Rebecca Evans (Gower) Delete
sub-point 5(a) and replace with: Work
with local clinicians to develop models of delivery which maximise all
resources to deliver safe, quality care for both COVID and non-COVID pathways
to local communities. A vote was taken on amendment 3:
Amendment 3 was agreed. Amendment
4 Rebecca Evans (Gower) Delete
sub-point 5(d) and replace with: Continue
to work with the cancer network and NHS to ensure cancer services are able to
meet new and current demand, and agree how to deploy future investment to
deliver on the agreed commitment for rapid diagnostic testing. A vote was taken on amendment 4:
Amendment 4 was agreed. Amendment
5 Rebecca Evans (Gower)
In
sub-point 5(e), delete “implement a” and replace with “continue our”. A vote was taken on amendment 5:
Amendment 5 was agreed. Amendment
6 Sian Gwenllian (Arfon) Add
as new sub-points at end of point 5: 'conduct
a review of performance against waiting time targets over the past decade to
ensure that lessons are learned about management of waiting lists; consider using the Nightingale hospitals where possible
to provide extra capacity for patients recovering from surgery to help increase
flow through the system.' A vote was taken on amendment 6:
Amendment 6 was not agreed. A vote was taken on the motion as amended: To
propose that the Senedd: 1.
Notes that the Welsh statistics published on 19 November show an 11 per cent
increase in the total numbers waiting for treatment from September 2019 to
September 2020, and it is the growth of waits over the national target 36 weeks
that have increased ninefold, a trend which has been seen in all areas of the
UK. 2.
Further notes the warning from leading cancer experts and charities that 2,000
people could die because of COVID-related delays in the Welsh NHS. 3.
Recognises the hard work, dedication and commitment of staff in the healthcare
sector supporting patients not just with coronavirus but with a variety of
conditions. 4.
Regrets that Wales, the UK, and the world will be living with the effects of
COVID-19 for many years. Notes
that whilst COVID remains in our community, NHS plans are focussed on balancing
the safe delivery of COVID and non-COVID services 5.
Calls on the Welsh Government to: a)
work with local clinicians to develop models of delivery which maximise all
resources to deliver safe, quality care for both COVID and non-COVID pathways
to local communities; b)
conduct an urgent review into how hospital patients in Wales are being
discharged during the pandemic and implement those findings to tackle
bottlenecks in hospitals, as recommended by the Royal College of Physicians; c)
significantly improve its testing regime to ramp up capacity and ensure that
COVID-19 is isolated and kept out of Welsh hospitals; d)
continue to work with the cancer network and NHS to ensure cancer services are
able to meet new and current demand, and agree how to deploy future investment
to deliver on the agreed commitment for rapid diagnostic testing; and e) continue our nationwide campaign to ensure that
people who suspect they have cancer, or need to go to hospital in an emergency,
continue to do so.
The motion as amended was agreed. In accordance with Standing Order 12.18, at
18.23 proceedings were suspended to allow a technical break before voting time. |
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Voting Time Minutes: The
item started at 18.29 |
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Votes Summary Supporting documents: |
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(30 mins) |
Short Debate NDM7488 David
Rees (Aberavon) Cancer services: a post-COVID-19 recovery plan. Minutes: The
item started at 18.37 NDM7488
David Rees (Aberavon) Cancer services: a post-COVID-19 recovery plan. |