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Transcript: Transcript for 30/09/2020 - Plenary - Fifth Senedd
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This meeting was held in a hybrid format, with some Members in the Senedd Chamber and others joining by video-conference. |
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(45 mins) |
Questions to the Minister for Education Supporting documents: Minutes: The
item started at 13.30 The
first 8 questions were asked. The Presiding Officer invited party spokespeople
to ask questions to the Minister after question 2. |
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(45 mins) |
Questions to the Minister for Health and Social Services Minutes: The
item started at 14.20 The
first 8 questions were asked. Question 5 was answered by the Deputy Minister for
Health and Social Services. The Presiding Officer invited party spokespeople to
ask questions to the Minister after question 2. |
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(20 mins) |
Topical Questions No Topical Questions were accepted. Minutes: No
topical questions were accepted. |
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(5 mins) |
90 Second Statements Minutes: The
item started at 15.27 Mike
Hedges made a statement on Breast Cancer – Wear it Pink. Elin
Jones made a statement on The 50th Anniversary of Radio Bronglais in
Ceredigion. In
accordance with Standing Order 12.18, at 15.30 the temporary Chair suspended
the meeting. |
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(60 mins) |
Debate on the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee report: the impact of the Covid-19 outbreak, and its management, on health and social care in Wales NDM7401 Dai Lloyd (South Wales West)
To propose that the Senedd: Notes the report of the Health, Social Care
and Sport Committee: Inquiry into the impact of the Covid-19 outbreak,
and its management, on health and social care in Wales, which was laid
in the Table Office on 8 July 2020. Note: The response from the Welsh
Government to the report was laid
in the Table Office on 8 September 2020. Minutes: The item started at 15.40 NDM7401 Dai Lloyd (South Wales West) To propose that the Senedd: Notes the report of the Health, Social Care and Sport Committee:
Inquiry into the impact of the Covid-19 outbreak, and its management, on health
and social care in Wales, which was laid in the Table Office on 8 July 2020. Note: The response from the Welsh Government to the report was laid in the Table Office on 8 September 2020. The motion was agreed in
accordance with Standing Order 12.36. |
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(60 mins) |
Member Debate under Standing order 11.21 (iv) Universal Basic Income (UBI) NDM7384 Jack Sargeant (Alyn and
Deeside) To propose that the Senedd: 1. Notes: a) the damage poverty does to life chances and
that work is no longer a guaranteed route out of poverty; b) that the pandemic has forced more people
into poverty with increasing numbers of residents having to turn to charitable
support like food banks; c) that, even before the pandemic, UK
growth was poor and we face the growing challenge of automation, placing
increasing numbers of jobs at risk; d) that a universal basic income (UBI)
gives people more control over their lives, would alleviate poverty and have an
accompanying positive affect on mental health; e) that a UBI would create jobs and
encourage people to access training opportunities; f) that a UBI allows people the space
to become more involved in their community and support their neighbours. 2. Calls on the Welsh Government: a) to establish a UBI trial in Wales; b) to lobby the UK Government for funding
to establish a Wales-wide UBI. Supported by Minutes: The item started at 16.27 Voting
on the motion under this item was deferred until Voting Time. NDM7384 Jack
Sargeant (Alyn and Deeside) To
propose that the Senedd: 1.
Notes: a)
the damage poverty does to life chances and that work is no longer a guaranteed
route out of poverty; b)
that the pandemic has forced more people into poverty with increasing numbers
of residents having to turn to charitable support like food banks; c)
that, even before the pandemic, UK growth was poor and we face the growing
challenge of automation, placing increasing numbers of jobs at risk; d)
that a universal basic income (UBI) gives people more control over their lives,
would alleviate poverty and have an accompanying positive affect on mental
health; e)
that a UBI would create jobs and encourage people to access training
opportunities; f)
that a UBI allows people the space to become more involved in their
community and support their neighbours. 2. Calls
on the Welsh Government: a)
to establish a UBI trial in Wales; b)
to lobby the UK Government for funding to establish a Wales-wide UBI. Supported
by The
result was as follows:
The motion was agreed. In
accordance with Standing Order 12.18, at 17.22 the temporary Chair suspended
the meeting. |
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(60 mins) |
Welsh Conservatives Debate - Value for Money for Taxpayers NDM7404 Darren Millar (Clwyd West) To propose that the Senedd: 1. Notes that successful management of taxpayers’
money depends on clear objectives, good governance and effective scrutiny. 2. Regrets that in excess of £1 billion has
been wasted by successive Welsh Governments on defunct policies, abandoned
projects and overspending against budgets since 2010. 3. Further regrets that potentially
good Welsh policies have been allowed to wither due to a lack of buy-in and
short-term decision-making. 4. Calls upon the Welsh Government to
establish a cross-departmental office at the heart of government to drive a
culture change, challenge decision making and ensure the delivery of value for
money for taxpayers. Amendment 1 Rebecca
Evans (Gower) Delete all and replace with To propose that the Senedd: 1. Notes that the successful management of
taxpayers’ money depends on clear objectives, good governance and effective
scrutiny and recognises the poor value for money represented by austerity
economics. 2. Regrets that the UK Government has
underfunded and / or blocked numerous non-devolved projects, services and
infrastructure in Wales including research and development, rail, broadband and
tidal energy since 2010. 3. Welcomes the progress made in delivering
innovative Welsh Government policies designed for the people of Wales
including: free prescriptions, Jobs Growth Wales, presumed consent for organ
donation, the single cancer pathway, the childcare offer, the doubling of the
capital limit, 21st Century Schools and the Economic Resilience Fund. 4. Calls upon the UK government to provide
greater fiscal flexibilities for the Welsh Government in the interests of good
budget management. [If amendment 1 is agreed, amendments 2, 3
and will be de-selected] Amendment 2 Caroline
Jones (South Wales West) Insert new point after point 3 and renumber
accordingly: Believes that the Welsh Government's
failure to deliver its policies has helped contribute to the lack of trust in
politics which has resulted in over half of the Welsh electorate not
participating in Senedd elections Amendment 3 Gareth
Bennett (South Wales Central) Delete point 4 and replace with: Calls for a binding referendum on whether
to keep or abolish the devolved government and parliament of Wales, in light of
the Welsh Government’s failures. Amendment 4 Neil
McEvoy (South Wales Central) Add as new point at end of motion: Calls on the Welsh Government to ensure
value for money by: a) recognising the waste of public resource
in the private third sector, through duplication and top-heavy management; b) democratising service provision through redirecting funding to local government in Wales. Minutes: The
item started at 17.34 Voting
on the motion and amendments under this item was deferred until Voting Time. A
vote was taken on the motion without amendment: NDM7404 Darren
Millar (Clwyd West) To
propose that the Senedd: 1.
Notes that successful management of taxpayers’ money depends on clear
objectives, good governance and effective scrutiny. 2.
Regrets that in excess of £1 billion has been wasted by successive Welsh
Governments on defunct policies, abandoned projects and overspending against
budgets since 2010. 3.
Further regrets that potentially good Welsh policies have been allowed to
wither due to a lack of buy-in and short-term decision-making. 4.
Calls upon the Welsh Government to establish a cross-departmental office at the
heart of government to drive a culture change, challenge decision making and
ensure the delivery of value for money for taxpayers.
The motion without amendment was not
agreed. The
following amendments were tabled: Amendment
1 Rebecca
Evans (Gower) Delete
all and replace with To
propose that the Senedd: 1.
Notes that the successful management of taxpayers’ money depends on clear
objectives, good governance and effective scrutiny and recognises the poor
value for money represented by austerity economics. 2.
Regrets that the UK Government has underfunded and / or blocked numerous
non-devolved projects, services and infrastructure in Wales including research
and development, rail, broadband and tidal energy since 2010. 3.
Welcomes the progress made in delivering innovative Welsh Government policies
designed for the people of Wales including: free prescriptions, Jobs Growth
Wales, presumed consent for organ donation, the single cancer pathway, the
childcare offer, the doubling of the capital limit, 21st Century Schools and
the Economic Resilience Fund. 4.
Calls upon the UK government to provide greater fiscal flexibilities for the
Welsh Government in the interests of good budget management. A
vote was taken on amendment 1:
Amendment 1 was agreed. As
amendment 1 was agreed, amendments 2, 3 and were de-selected Amendment
4 Neil
McEvoy (South Wales Central) Add as new point at end of motion: Calls on the Welsh Government to ensure value for
money by: a) recognising the waste of public resource in the
private third sector, through duplication and top-heavy management; b) democratising service provision through
redirecting funding to local government in Wales A
vote was taken on amendment 4:
Amendment 4 was not agreed. A
vote was taken on the motion as amended: NDM7404 Darren
Millar (Clwyd West) To
propose that the Senedd: 1.
Notes that the successful management of taxpayers’ money depends on clear
objectives, good governance and effective scrutiny and recognises the poor
value for money represented by austerity economics. 2.
Regrets that the UK Government has underfunded and / or blocked numerous
non-devolved projects, services and infrastructure in Wales including research
and development, rail, broadband and tidal energy since 2010. 3.
Welcomes the progress made in delivering innovative Welsh Government policies
designed for the people of Wales including: free prescriptions, Jobs Growth
Wales, presumed consent for organ donation, the single cancer pathway, the
childcare offer, the doubling of the capital limit, 21st Century Schools and
the Economic Resilience Fund. 4.
Calls upon the UK government to provide greater fiscal flexibilities for the
Welsh Government in the interests of good budget management.
The motion as amended was agreed. |
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Voting Time Minutes: In
accordance with Standing Order 34.14D, at 18.32 proceedings were suspended to
allow a technical break before voting time. The
item started at 18.39 |
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Votes Summary Supporting documents: |
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(30 mins) |
Short Debate NDM7403 Rhun ap Iorwerth (Ynys Môn)
The challenges and opportunities for the
Môn economy: an opportunity to take a broad look at the Môn economy, including
serious concerns around Brexit, challenges and opportunities in relation to
energy, and how to ensure community and environmental sustainability when
creating new economic opportunities.
Minutes: The
item started at 18.43 NDM7403 Rhun
ap Iorwerth (Ynys Môn) The
challenges and opportunities for the Môn economy: an opportunity to take a
broad look at the Môn economy, including serious concerns around Brexit,
challenges and opportunities in relation to energy, and how to ensure community
and environmental sustainability when creating new economic
opportunities. |