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Record of Proceedings View the Record
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(45 mins) |
Questions to the Cabinet Secretary for Communities and Children The
Presiding Officer will call Party Spokespeople to ask questions without notice
to the Cabinet Secretary after Question 2. Supporting documents: Minutes: The item started at
13.30 The first 12
questions were asked. The Presiding Officer invited party spokespeople to ask
questions to the Cabinet Secretary after Question 2. |
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90 Second Statements Minutes: The item started at
14.16 Angela Burns made a statement on the launch
of the cross-party group on sepsis. Russell George made a statement on the 200th
anniversary of the birth of John Roberts, Harpist of Wales. Rhun ap Iorwerth made
a statement on the launch of the North West Wales branch of Blood Bikes Wales. |
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(30 mins) |
Motion to approve the Assembly Commission's Budget 2017-18 NDM6139
Suzy Davies (South Wales West) To propose that
the National Assembly for Wales in accordance with Standing Order 20.16: Agrees the
budget of the Assembly Commission for 2017-18, as specified in Table 1 of
the "National Assembly for Wales Assembly Commission Budget 2017-18",
laid before
the Assembly on 9 November 2016 and that it be incorporated in the Annual
Budget Motion under Standing Order 20.26 (ii). Supporting
documents Finance Committee
report - Scrutiny of the Assembly Commission Draft Budget 2017-18 Assembly Commission
response letter to the Finance Committee Minutes: The item started at 14.20 NDM6139 Suzy Davies (South Wales West) To propose that the
National Assembly for Wales in accordance with Standing Order 20.16: Agrees the budget
of the Assembly Commission for 2017-18, as specified in Table 1 of the
"National Assembly for Wales Assembly Commission Budget
2017-18", laid before the Assembly on 9 November 2016 and
that it be incorporated in the Annual Budget Motion under Standing Order 20.26
(ii). The motion was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36. |
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(30 mins) |
Plaid Cymru debate NDM6145
Rhun ap Iorwerth (Ynys Môn) To propose that
the National Assembly for Wales: 1. Recognises
the significant contribution made by workers from overseas to the care and
treatment of patients within the NHS. 2. Calls on the
Welsh Government, through negotiation with the UK Government, to secure powers
to issue work permits for overseas nationals to work in the Welsh NHS. The
following amendments have been tabled: Amendment 1. Jane Hutt (Vale of
Glamorgan) Delete
point 2 and replace with: Calls
on the UK Government to ensure the Welsh NHS remains able to recruit qualified
healthcare workers born and trained overseas, if and when necessary, after the
UK leaves the EU, and to explore all options to facilitate that. [If amendment 1 is agreed,
amendment 2 will be de-selected] Amendment 2. Neil Hamilton (Mid and West Wales): Delete
point 2. Amendment 3.
Neil Hamilton (Mid and West Wales): Add
as new point at end of motion: Calls
on the Welsh Government to support sensible UK immigration controls, including
a work-permit and visa regime to fill skills gaps in the Welsh NHS. Minutes: The item started at
14.35 Voting
on the motion and amendments under this item was deferred until Voting Time. A
vote was taken on the motion without amendment: NDM6145 Rhun ap Iorwerth (Ynys Môn) To propose that the National Assembly for Wales: 1. Recognises the significant contribution made by workers from overseas
to the care and treatment of patients within the NHS. 2. Calls on the Welsh Government, through negotiation with the UK
Government, to secure powers to issue work permits for overseas nationals to
work in the Welsh NHS.
The motion without amendment was not agreed. The
following amendments were tabled: Amendment 1. Jane Hutt (Vale of Glamorgan) Delete point 2 and
replace with: Calls on the UK
Government to ensure the Welsh NHS remains able to recruit qualified healthcare
workers born and trained overseas, if and when necessary, after the UK leaves
the EU, and to explore all options to facilitate that. A vote was taken on
Amendment 1:
Amendment 1 was agreed. As Amendment 1 was agreed, Amendment 2 was de-selected Amendment 3. Neil Hamilton (Mid and West Wales): Add as new point at end of motion: Calls on the Welsh Government to support
sensible UK immigration controls, including a work-permit and visa regime to
fill skills gaps in the Welsh NHS. A vote was taken on
Amendment 3:
Amendment 3 was not agreed. A
vote was taken on the motion as amended: NDM6145 Rhun ap Iorwerth (Ynys Môn) To propose that the National Assembly for Wales: 1. Recognises the significant contribution made by workers from overseas
to the care and treatment of patients within the NHS. 2. Calls on the UK Government to ensure the Welsh NHS remains able to
recruit qualified healthcare workers born and trained overseas, if and when
necessary, after the UK leaves the EU, and to explore all options to facilitate
that.
The
motion as amended was agreed. |
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(30 mins) |
Plaid Cymru debate NDM6146
Rhun ap Iorwerth (Ynys Môn) To propose that
the National Assembly for Wales: 1. Notes that
the UK Government is reported to have received £8 billion from the Mineworkers'
Pension Scheme (MPS), in accordance with current arrangements which sees it
receiving 50 percent of the MPS surplus, and further notes that the UK
Government received £750 million in surplus payments in 2014 alone; 2. Calls for a
review of the fifty-fifty surplus sharing arrangement between the UK Government
and MPS, as advocated by the National Union of Mineworkers. 3. Calls on the
Welsh Government to work with other devolved administrations, and local and
regional leaders in England, to secure a UK Government review of the MPS
surplus arrangements and to seek a continuation of the UK Government to act as
guarantor of the MPS. The
following amendment has been tabled: Amendment 1.
Paul Davies (Preseli Pembrokeshire): Add
as new point at end of Motion: Recognises
that the presence of the guarantee has enabled the trustees to invest in a way
that has generated surpluses and as a consequence bonuses to members. Minutes: The item started at
15.01 NDM6146 Rhun ap Iorwerth (Ynys Môn) To propose that the National Assembly for Wales: 1. Notes that the UK Government is reported to have received £8 billion
from the Mineworkers' Pension Scheme (MPS), in accordance with current
arrangements which sees it receiving 50 percent of the MPS surplus, and further
notes that the UK Government received £750 million in surplus payments in 2014
alone; 2. Calls for a review of the fifty-fifty surplus sharing arrangement
between the UK Government and MPS, as advocated by the National Union of
Mineworkers. 3. Calls on the Welsh Government to work with other devolved
administrations, and local and regional leaders in England, to secure a UK
Government review of the MPS surplus arrangements and to seek a continuation of
the UK Government to act as guarantor of the MPS. The motion was
agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36. |
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(60 mins) |
Welsh Conservatives debate NDM6140
Paul Davies (Preseli Pembrokeshire) To propose that
the National Assembly for Wales: 1. Recognises
the important and valuable contribution made to Welsh society by older people. 2. Believes
that older people deserve dignity and respect, as well as independence and the
freedom to make decisions about their own lives. 3. Regrets the
Welsh Government's failure to provide security for older people by setting a
cap on costs and protecting £100,000 of assets for those in residential care
ensuring people do not lose their life savings and homes to care costs. 4. Notes the
findings from a dementia report produced by the Older People's Commissioner for
Wales that highlighted the difficulties those with dementia have in accessing
the information, support, and services that can make a big difference to their
lives. 5. Calls on the
Welsh Government to: a) Introduce an
Older People's Rights Bill, to extend and promote the rights of older people; b) Place a duty
on public sector bodies to consult older people when making decisions which
affect their lives; and c) Make Wales
the first dementia-friendly nation in the UK. The
following amendments have been tabled: Amendment 1. Jane Hutt (Vale of
Glamorgan) Delete
point 3 and replace with: Notes
the Welsh Government's commitment to increase the capital limit to £50,000,
which will enable more people in Wales to keep more of their assets when
entering residential care. Amendment 2.
Jane Hutt (Vale of
Glamorgan) Add
as new point after point 3 and renumber accordingly: Regrets
the ongoing delays by the UK Government to the reform of the arrangements for
paying for care. Amendment 3.
Jane Hutt (Vale of
Glamorgan) Delete
point 5 and replace with: Notes
that: a)
the Older People’s Commissioner for Wales has suggested an Older People’s
Rights Bill for Wales; b)
the Welsh Government supports the principles of a Bill; c)
the Welsh Government will take further action to make Wales a dementia friendly
country through developing and implementing a new national dementia plan. [If amendment 3 is agreed, amendments 4, 5, 6
and 7 will be de-selected] Amendment 4.
Rhun ap Iorwerth
(Ynys Môn) Delete
sub-point 5a), and replace with: ‘supports
the work of the Older People’s Commissioner for Wales in working towards
extending and promoting the rights of older people;’ Amendment 5. Rhun ap Iorwerth
(Ynys Môn) Delete
sub-point 5b) and replace with: ‘supports
the Older People’s Commissioner for Wales in ensuring the voices of older
people are heard in relation to the planning of public services;’ Amendment 6.
Rhun ap Iorwerth
(Ynys Môn) Add
as new sub-point at end of point 5: ‘build
more supported housing to broaden choice and compliment residential and
institutional care.’ Amendment 7.
Rhun ap Iorwerth
(Ynys Môn) Add
as new sub-point at end of point 5: ‘work
with police and crime commissioners and local authorities to protect older
people from scams, mis-selling and other forms of financial exploitation.’ Minutes: The item started at
15.30 Voting
on the motion and amendments under this item was deferred until Voting Time. A
vote was taken on the motion without amendment: NDM6140 Paul Davies (Preseli Pembrokeshire) To propose that the National Assembly for Wales: 1. Recognises the important and valuable contribution made to Welsh
society by older people. 2. Believes that older people deserve dignity and respect, as well as
independence and the freedom to make decisions about their own lives. 3. Regrets the Welsh Government's failure to provide security for older
people by setting a cap on costs and protecting £100,000 of assets for those in
residential care ensuring people do not lose their life savings and homes to
care costs. 4. Notes the findings from a dementia report produced by the Older
People's Commissioner for Wales that highlighted the difficulties those with
dementia have in accessing the information, support, and services that can make
a big difference to their lives. 5. Calls on the Welsh Government to: a) Introduce an Older People's Rights Bill, to extend and promote the
rights of older people; b) Place a duty on public sector bodies to consult older people when
making decisions which affect their lives; and c) Make Wales the first dementia-friendly nation in the UK.
The motion without amendment was not agreed. The
following amendments were tabled: Amendment 1. Jane Hutt (Vale of Glamorgan) Delete point 3 and
replace with: Notes the Welsh
Government's commitment to increase the capital limit to £50,000, which will
enable more people in Wales to keep more of their assets when entering
residential care. A vote was taken on
Amendment 1:
Amendment 1 was agreed. Amendment 2. Jane Hutt (Vale of Glamorgan) Add as new point
after point 3 and renumber accordingly: Regrets the ongoing
delays by the UK Government to the reform of the arrangements for paying for
care. A vote was taken on
Amendment 2:
Amendment 2 was agreed. Amendment 3. Jane Hutt (Vale of Glamorgan) Delete point 5 and replace with: Notes that: a) the Older People’s Commissioner for Wales
has suggested an Older People’s Rights Bill for Wales; b) the Welsh Government supports the
principles of a Bill; c) the Welsh Government will take further
action to make Wales a dementia friendly country through developing and
implementing a new national dementia plan. A vote was taken on
Amendment 3:
Amendment 3 was agreed. As Amendment 3 was agreed, Amendments 4, 5, 6 and 7
were de-selected A
vote was taken on the motion as amended: NDM6140 Paul Davies (Preseli Pembrokeshire) To propose that the National Assembly for Wales: 1. Recognises the important and valuable contribution made to Welsh
society by older people. 2. Believes that older people deserve dignity and respect, as well as independence
and the freedom to make decisions about their own lives. 3. Notes the Welsh Government's commitment to increase the capital limit to
£50,000, which will enable more people in Wales to keep more of their assets
when entering residential care. 4. Regrets the
ongoing delays by the UK Government to the reform of the arrangements for
paying for care. 5. Notes the findings from a dementia report produced by the Older
People's Commissioner for Wales that highlighted the difficulties those with dementia
have in accessing the information, support, and services that can make a big
difference to their lives. 6. Notes that: a) the Older People’s Commissioner for Wales
has suggested an Older People’s Rights Bill for Wales; b) the Welsh Government supports the
principles of a Bill; c) the Welsh Government will take further
action to make Wales a dementia friendly country through developing and
implementing a new national dementia plan.
The
motion as amended was agreed. |
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(60 mins) |
United Kingdom Independence Party Debate NDM6141
To propose that
the National Assembly for Wales: Supports the
abolition of tolls on the Severn bridges following their return to the public
sector. The
following amendments have been tabled: Amendment 1.
Paul Davies (Preseli Pembrokeshire): Delete
all and replace with: 1.
Calls on the Welsh and UK governments to explore all aspects of funding for
both Severn bridges on their return to public ownership. 2.
Notes that previous assessments have indicated that traffic volumes would
increase by at least 25 per cent if tolls were removed 3.
Calls for a traffic assessment to be undertaken by Traffic Wales in order to
inform the decision to remove tolls based on the ability of the surrounding
transport system to deal with any increases in traffic 4.
Believes that if the long term future of both bridges can be secured through
existing budgets with no impact on other transport projects around Wales, then
toll free use of the bridges should be a priority. [If amendment 1 is agreed, amendment 2 will
be de-selected] Amendment 2.
Rhun ap Iorwerth (Ynys Môn): Delete
all and replace with: Calls
for the responsibility for the Severn bridges to be devolved when they return
to public ownership, and supports the abolition of tolls payable on the
crossings. Amendment 3.
Jane Hutt (Vale of
Glamorgan) Add
as new points 1 and 2 and renumber accordingly: 1.
Notes the benefit removing tolls on the Severn bridges would have on the
economy of Wales. 2.
Believes there is no case for continuing to charge tolls on the Severn bridges
to fund ongoing maintenance once the concession ends as they represent an
unfair tax on the people and businesses of Wales. Minutes: The item started at
16.28 Voting
on the motion and amendments under this item was deferred until Voting Time. A
vote was taken on the motion without amendment: NDM6141 Mark Reckless (South East Wales) To propose that the National Assembly for Wales: Supports the abolition of tolls on the Severn bridges following their
return to the public sector.
The motion without amendment was not agreed. The
following amendments were tabled: Amendment 1. Paul Davies (Preseli Pembrokeshire): Delete all and
replace with: 1. Calls on the Welsh
and UK governments to explore all aspects of funding for both Severn bridges on
their return to public ownership. 2. Notes that
previous assessments have indicated that traffic volumes would increase by at
least 25 per cent if tolls were removed 3. Calls for a
traffic assessment to be undertaken by Traffic Wales in order to inform the
decision to remove tolls based on the ability of the surrounding transport
system to deal with any increases in traffic 4. Believes that if
the long term future of both bridges can be secured through existing budgets
with no impact on other transport projects around Wales, then toll free use of
the bridges should be a priority. A vote was taken on
Amendment 1:
Amendment 1 was not agreed. Amendment 2. Rhun ap Iorwerth (Ynys Môn): Delete all and
replace with: Calls for the
responsibility for the Severn bridges to be devolved when they return to public
ownership, and supports the abolition of tolls payable on the crossings. A vote was taken on
Amendment 2:
Amendment 2 was not agreed. Amendment 3. Jane Hutt (Vale of Glamorgan) Add as new points 1 and 2 and renumber
accordingly: 1. Notes the benefit removing tolls on the
Severn bridges would have on the economy of Wales. 2. Believes there is no case for continuing to
charge tolls on the Severn bridges to fund ongoing maintenance once the
concession ends as they represent an unfair tax on the people and businesses of
Wales. A vote was taken on
Amendment 3:
Amendment 3 was agreed. A
vote was taken on the motion as amended: NDM6141 Mark Reckless (South East Wales) To propose that the National Assembly for Wales: 1. Notes the benefit removing tolls on the
Severn bridges would have on the economy of Wales. 2. Believes there is no case for continuing to
charge tolls on the Severn bridges to fund ongoing maintenance once the
concession ends as they represent an unfair tax on the people and businesses of
Wales. 3. Supports the abolition of tolls on the Severn bridges following their
return to the public sector.
The
motion as amended was agreed. |
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Voting time Minutes: The item started at
17.16 |
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Votes Summary Supporting documents: |
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(30 mins) |
Short Debate NDM6142
Hefin David (Caerphilly) The value of
small and medium-sized enterprises to the Welsh economy Minutes: The item started at
17.25 NDM6142 Hefin David (Caerphilly) The value of small
and medium-sized enterprises to the Welsh economy |
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(30 mins) |
Short Debate - postponed from 9 November Minutes: The item started at
17.45 NDM6133 Julie Morgan (Cardiff North) The loss of heart
research at Cardiff Medical School |