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Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill

This page gives details of any meetings held which will, or did, discuss the matter, and includes links to the relevant Papers, Agendas and Minutes.

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Meeting: 14/01/2014 - Plenary - Fourth Assembly (Item 3.)

Statement by the Counsel General: The Referral of the Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill to the Supreme Court

Decision:

The item started at 14.59


Meeting: 20/11/2013 - Plenary - Fourth Assembly (Item 9.)

Stage 4 Standing Order 26.47 motion to approve the Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill

At the conclusion of Stage 3 the Member in Charge may propose that the Bill be passed in accordance with Standing Order 26.47.

 

Stage 4 Standing Order 26.47 motion to approve the Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill

Decision:

The item started at 17.59

At the conclusion of Stage 3 the Minister may propose that the Bill be passed in accordance with Standing Order 26.47. If the proposition is agreed:

Stage 4 Standing Order 26.47 motion to approve the Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill.

The result was as follows:

For

Abstain

Against

Total

38

0

10

48

The motion was agreed.


Meeting: 20/11/2013 - Plenary - Fourth Assembly (Item 8.)

Stage 3 Standing Order 26.44 debate on the Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill

In accordance with Standing Order 26.36, amendments will be disposed of in the order which the sections and schedules to which they relate, arise in the Bill.

 

The amendments have been grouped for the purposes of debate and the groupings will be debated as follows:

 

1. Liability

11, 13

 

2. Palliative Care

4

 

3. Excluded Services

5, 6, 10

 

4. Timescale for Recovering Costs

7

 

5. Appeals and waivers

1, 2, 3

 

6. Use of Information

12

 

7. Use of Amounts Reimbursed

14, 15

 

8. Power to Suspend the Act

8, 9

 

Supporting documents:

Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill

Explanatory Memorandum

Marshalled List of Amendments

Grouping of Amendments

 

Decision:

The item started at 16.55

In accordance with Standing Order 26.36, amendments will be disposed of in the order which the sections and schedules to which they relate, arise in the Bill.

The Amendments have been grouped for the purposes of debate and the groupings will be debated as follows:

1. Liability

11, 13

 

2. Palliative Care

4

 

3. Excluded Services

5, 6, 10

 

4. Timescale for Recovering Costs

7

 

5. Appeals and waivers

1, 2, 3

 

6. Use of Information

12

 

7. Use of Amounts Reimbursed

14, 15

 

8. Power to Suspend the Act

8, 9

Voting was taken in the order set out in the Marshalled List of Amendments.

Amendment 11 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

A vote was taken on Amendment 4:

For

Abstain

Against

Total

21

0

26

47

Amendment 4 was not agreed.

A vote was taken on Amendment 5:

For

Abstain

Against

Total

20

0

26

46

Amendment 5 was not agreed.

As amendment 5 was not agreed, amendments 6 and 10 fell.

A vote was taken on Amendment 7:

For

Abstain

Against

Total

12

0

37

49

Amendment 7 was not agreed.

Amendment 1 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 2 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 3 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 12 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 13 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 14 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

Amendment 15 was agreed in accordance with Standing Order 12.36.

A vote was taken on Amendment 8:

For

Abstain

Against

Total

10

1

37

48

Amendment 8 was not agreed.

As amendment 8 was not agreed, amendment 9 fell.

All sections and schedules of the Bill were deemed agreed, concluding Stage 3 proceedings.


Meeting: 05/06/2013 - Plenary - Fourth Assembly (Item 3.)

Stage 3 Standing Order 26.44 debate on the Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill - POSTPONED

 

In accordance with Standing Order 26.36, amendments will be disposed of in the order which the sections and schedules to which they relate, arise in the Bill.

 

The amendments have been grouped for the purposes of debate and the groupings will be debated as follows:

 

1.  Palliative Care

4

 

2.  Excluded Services

5, 6, 10

 

3.  Timescale for Recovering Costs

7

4.  Appeals and waivers

1, 2, 3

 

5.  Power to Suspend the Act

8, 9

 

Supporting documents:

Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill

Explanatory Memorandum

Marshalled List of Amendments

Grouping of Amendments


Meeting: 05/06/2013 - Plenary - Fourth Assembly (Item 4.)

Stage 4 Standing Order 26.47 motion to approve the Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill - POSTPONED

 

At the conclusion of Stage 3 the Member in Charge may propose that the Bill be passed in accordance with Standing Order 26.47. If the proposition is agreed:

 

Stage 4 Standing Order 26.47 motion to approve the Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill.


Meeting: 24/04/2013 - Health and Social Care Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 3)

Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill: Stage 2 - Consideration of Amendments

Papers:

Marshalled List of Amendments, 24 April 2013

Groupings of Amendments, 24 April 2013

 

In accordance with Standing Order 26.21, the Committee will dispose of amendments to the Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill in the following order:

 

Sections 1 – 21

Schedule 1

Minutes:

3.1 In accordance with Standing Order 26.21, the Committee disposed of amendments to the Bill in the following order:

 

Sections 1 – 21

Schedule 1

 

3.2 The Committee considered and disposed of the following amendments:

 

Section 1:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore it was deemed agreed to.

 

Section 2:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore it was deemed agreed to.

Section 3:

Amendment 9 (Darren Millar)

 

 For

Against

Abstain

Elin Jones

Lindsay Whittle       

Kirsty Williams 

Lynne Neagle 

Rebecca Evans

Gwyn Price

Jenny Rathbone

Ann Jones

William Graham  

Darren Millar

3

5

2

Amendment 9 was not agreed to.

 

Amendment 10 (Darren Millar)

 

 For

Against

Abstain

William Graham  

Darren Millar

Lynne Neagle 

Rebecca Evans

Gwyn Price

Jenny Rathbone

Ann Jones

Elin Jones

Lindsay Whittle       

Kirsty Williams 

2

5

3

Amendment 10 was not agreed to.

 

Amendment 3 (Mark Drakeford) was agreed to, in accordance with Standing Order 17.34 (i).

 

Section 4:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore it was deemed agreed to.

 

Section 5:
Amendment 11 (Darren Millar)

 

 For

Against

Abstain

William Graham  

Darren Millar

Lynne Neagle 

Rebecca Evans

Gwyn Price

Jenny Rathbone

Ann Jones

Elin Jones

Lindsay Whittle       

Kirsty Williams 

2

8

0

Amendment 11 was not agreed to.

 

Section 6:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore it was deemed agreed to.

Section 7:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore it was deemed agreed to.

Section 8:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore it was deemed agreed to.

Section 9:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore it was deemed agreed to.

Section 10:
Amendment 4 (Mark Drakeford) was agreed to, in accordance with Standing Order 17.34 (i).

Section 11:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore it was deemed agreed to.

Section 12:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore it was deemed agreed to.

Section 13:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore it was deemed agreed to.

Section 14:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore it was deemed agreed to.

Section 15:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore it was deemed agreed to.

Section 16:
Amendment 12 (Darren Millar)

 

 For

Against

Abstain

William Graham  

Darren Millar

Elin Jones

Lindsay Whittle       

Lynne Neagle 

Rebecca Evans

Gwyn Price

Jenny Rathbone

Ann Jones

Kirsty Williams 

4

6

0

Amendment 12 was not agreed to.

 

Amendment 1 (Mick Antoniw) was agreed to, in accordance with Standing Order 17.34 (i).

Amendment 6 (Mark Drakeford) was agreed to, in accordance with Standing Order 17.34 (i).

Amendment 5 (Mark Drakeford) was agreed to, in accordance with Standing Order 17.34 (i).

Amendment 13 (Darren Millar) was withdrawn.

 

Section 17:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore it was deemed agreed to.

 

Section 18:
Amendment 7 (Mark Drakeford) was agreed to, in accordance with Standing Order 17.34 (i).

Amendment 2 (Mick Antoniw) was agreed to, in accordance with Standing Order 17.34 (i).

 

Section 19:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore it was deemed agreed to.

 

Section 20:
Amendment 8 (Mark Drakeford) was agreed to, in accordance with Standing Order 17.34 (i).

Amendment 14 (Darren Millar) was withdrawn.

 

Section 21:
No amendments were tabled to this section, therefore it was deemed agreed to.

 

Schedule 1:
No amendments were tabled to Schedule 1, therefore it was deemed agreed to.

 

3.3 The Chair advised that all sections of the Bill had been agreed by the Committee and as all amendments had been disposed of, Stage 3 will commence from 25 April 2013.

 

3.4 Under standing order 26.27, Members agreed that the Member in Charge should prepare a revised Explanatory Memorandum.

 

 


Meeting: 24/04/2013 - Health and Social Care Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 4)

4 Paper: HSC(4)-13-13 - Paper 1 - Letter to the Chair from Mick Antoniw AM

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

4a.1 The Committee noted the letter from the Member in Charge to the Chair providing a supplementary note in response to recommendation 5 of the Committee’s Stage 1 report on the Bill.


Meeting: 19/03/2013 - Plenary - Fourth Assembly (Item 9.)

Financial Resolution on the Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill - moved from 20 March 2013

NDM5190 Jane Hutt (Vale of Glamorgan)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales, for the purposes of any provisions resulting from the Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill, agrees to any increase in expenditure of a kind referred to in Standing Order 26.69(ii), arising in consequence of the Bill.

Decision:

The item started at 18.11

Voting on the motion under this item was deferred until Voting Time.

NDM5190 Jane Hutt (Vale of Glamorgan)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales, for the purposes of any provisions resulting from the Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill, agrees to any increase in expenditure of a kind referred to in Standing Order 26.69(ii), arising in consequence of the Bill.

The result was as follows:

For

Abstain

Against

Total

43

0

11

54

The motion was agreed.


Meeting: 19/03/2013 - Plenary - Fourth Assembly (Item 8.)

Stage 1 Debate on the Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill - moved from 20 March 2013

NDM5192 Mick Antoniw (Pontypridd)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales in accordance with Standing Order 26.11:

Agrees to the general principles of the Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill.

The Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill and Explanatory Memorandum were laid before the Assembly on 3 December 2012.

The report of the Health and Social Care Committee on the Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill was laid before the Assembly on 7 March 2013.

Supporting Documents:
The Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill
Explanatory Memorandum
Health and Social Care Committee’s report
Constitutional and Legislative Affairs Committee’s report

Decision:

The item started at 17.15

Voting on the motion under this item was deferred until Voting Time.

NDM5192 Mick Antoniw (Pontypridd)

To propose that the National Assembly for Wales in accordance with Standing Order 26.11:

Agrees to the general principles of the Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill.

The Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill and Explanatory Memorandum were laid before the Assembly on 3 December 2012.

The report of the Health and Social Care Committee on the Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill was laid before the Assembly on 7 March 2013.

The result was as follows:

For

Abstain

Against

Total

43

0

11

54

The motion was agreed.


Meeting: 28/02/2013 - Health and Social Care Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 5)

Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill: Stage 1 - Consideration of final report

Minutes:

5.1 The Committee considered this item in private session.


Meeting: 25/02/2013 - Constitutional and Legislative Affairs Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 5.1)

Final Draft Report on the Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill

CLA(4)-07-13(p5) – Final Draft Report

Supporting documents:


Meeting: 20/02/2013 - Health and Social Care Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 6)

Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill: Consideration of the Draft Report

Private session

 

Supporting documents:

  • Restricted enclosure 26 , View reasons restricted (6/1)
  • Restricted enclosure 27
  • Restricted enclosure 28
  • Restricted enclosure 29
  • Restricted enclosure 30
  • Restricted enclosure 31

Minutes:

6.1 The Committee considered this item in private session.


Meeting: 18/02/2013 - Constitutional and Legislative Affairs Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 4.2)

Draft Report Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill

CLA(4)-06-13(p3) – Draft Report

Supporting documents:


Meeting: 24/01/2013 - Health and Social Care Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 6)

Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill: Stage 1 - Evidence Session 10

Member in Charge

 

Mick Antoniw AM, Member in charge of the Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill

Vaughan Gething AM

Paul Davies, Associate of Welsh Institute for Health and Social Care

Joanest Jackson, Legal Adviser

 

Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases Bill (as introduced)

 

Explanatory Memorandum

Minutes:

6.1 The Committee took evidence from the Member in Charge of the Bill, Mick Antoniw AM, Vaughan Gething AM, Mr Paul Davies and Mrs Joanest Jackson.

 


Meeting: 24/01/2013 - Health and Social Care Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 5)

Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill: Consideration of Member in Charge's evidence

Minutes:

5.1 The Committee considered this item in private session.


Meeting: 24/01/2013 - Health and Social Care Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 3)

3 Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill: Stage 1 - Evidence Session 9

Tenovus

 

Dr Rachel Iredale, Director, Cancer Support Team

Miss Julia Yandle, Advice Services Manager

 

Swansea University, Swansea Centre for Health Economics, College of Human and Health Sciences

 

Professor Ceri Phillips BSc.(Econ), MSc. (Econ), PhD, Health Economist

 

Aneurin Bevan Health Board

 

Glyn Jones, Assistant Director of Finance (Operations)

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

2.1 The Committee took evidence from the representatives of Tenovus, Professor Ceri Phillips from Swansea Centre for Health Economics and Mr Glyn Jones, who represented Aneurin Bevan Health Board.

 


Meeting: 24/01/2013 - Health and Social Care Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 2)

2 Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill: Stage 1 - Evidence Session 8

Minister for Health and Social Services

 

Lesley Griffiths AM, Minister for Health and Social Services;

Mark Osland, Deputy Director of Finance, DHSSG;

Fiona Davies, Legal Services.

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

2.1 The Committee took evidence from the Minister for Health and Social Services, Welsh Government. The Minister was accompanied by her officials.

 


Meeting: 16/01/2013 - Health and Social Care Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 2)

2 Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill: Stage 1 - Evidence Session 4

HSC(4)-02-13 paper 1

 

Association of British Insurers

 

Nick Starling, Director of General Insurance, ABI;

Dominic Clayden, UK & Ireland Claims Director, Aviva;

Faye Glasspool, Director UK Legacy, RSA

 

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

2.1 The Committee took evidence from the representatives of  the Association for British Insurers.

 

2.2 The Chair asked that a copy of the letter that he had received from the Law Commission should be made available to the witnesses.

 

2.3 The Committee agreed that it would be helpful to have a paper from the Research Service on the 2002 Department of Health Consultation to which the witnesses had referred.


Meeting: 16/01/2013 - Health and Social Care Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 5)

5 Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill: Stage 1 - Evidence Session 7

HSC(4)-02-13 paper 4

 

Marie Curie Cancer Care

 

Simon Jones, Head of Policy and Public Affairs, Wales

Marie Curie Hospice, Cardiff and the Vale

 

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

5.1 The Committee took evidence from the representatives of Marie Curie Cancer Care.


Meeting: 16/01/2013 - Health and Social Care Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 4)

4 Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill: Stage 1 - Evidence Session 6

HSC(4)-02-13 paper 3

 

Association of Personal Injury Lawyers (APIL Wales)

 

Michael Imperato, APIL Wales Co-ordinator

 

 

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

4.1 The Committee took evidence from the representatives of the Association of Personal Injury Lawyers (APIL Wales).


Meeting: 16/01/2013 - Health and Social Care Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 3)

3 Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill: Stage 1 - Evidence Session 5

HSC(4)-02-13 paper 2

 

Forum of Insurance lawyers 

 

Simon Cradick, Partner, Morgan Cole LLP representing the Forum of Insurance Litigators 

 

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

3.1 The Committee took evidence from the representatives of the Forum of Insurance lawyers


Meeting: 10/01/2013 - Health and Social Care Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 11)

11 Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill: Letter from Presiding Officer

HSC(4)-01-13 paper 7

HSC(4)-01-13 paper 7 (annexe)

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

11.1 The Committee noted the letter.


Meeting: 10/01/2013 - Health and Social Care Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 6)

6 Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill: Evidence Session 3

HSC(4)-01-13 paper 3

 

Trade Unions

Unite Wales and GMB Wales & South West

 

Hannah Blythyn, Campaigns & Policy Co-ordinator for Unite Wales

Mike Payne, Regional Political Officer, GMB

 

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

6.1 The Committee took evidence from representatives of the GMB and UNITE Trade Unions.


Meeting: 10/01/2013 - Health and Social Care Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 5)

5 Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill: Evidence Session 2

HSC(4)-01-13 paper 1

HSC(4)-01-13 paper 2

 

Asbestos Awareness and Support Cymru

 

Joanne Barnes-Mannings, Community Outreach Officer

Lorna Johns, Strategic Research and Development Officer

 

Asbestos Victims Support Groups’ Forum UK

 

Tony Whitston, Chair, Asbestos Victims Support Groups Forum - UK

Marie Hughes, Mesothelioma Support (Greater Manchester Asbestos Victims Support Group)

 

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

5.1 The Committee took evidence from the representatives of Asbestos Awareness and Support Cymru and Asbestos Victims Support Groups’ Forum UK.


Meeting: 10/01/2013 - Health and Social Care Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 2)

Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill: Evidence Session 1

Mick Antoniw AM, Member in charge of the Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill

Vaughan Gething AM

Paul Davies, Associate of Welsh Institute for Health and Social Care

 

Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill, as introduced

 

Explanatory Memorandum

 

Minutes:

2.1 The Committee took evidence from the Member in Charge of the Bill, Mick Antoniw AM, Vaughan Gething AM, Mr Paul Davies and Mrs Joanest Jackson.


Meeting: 10/01/2013 - Health and Social Care Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 4)

Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill: Consideration of Member in charge's evidence

Minutes:

4.1 The Committee considered this item in private session.


Meeting: 05/12/2012 - Plenary - Fourth Assembly (Item 3.)

Statement by Mick Antoniw: Introduction of a Member proposed Bill – Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill

Decision:

The item started at 15:11


Meeting: 05/12/2012 - Health and Social Care Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 7)

Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill : Stage 1 - Evidence session 1 - POSTPONED


Meeting: 05/12/2012 - Health and Social Care Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 6)

6 Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill : Stage 1 - Approach to scrutiny

HSC(4)-33-12 paper 6

 

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

6.1 The Committee Chair referred to a letter he had received from the Presiding Officer indicating that, in her opinion, the Bill was within the legislative competence of the Assembly.  However, she also pointed out that her decision had been finely balanced in relation to some parts of the Bill. The Chair outlined the parts of the Bill concerned and that the letter would be circulated to Members in due course.

 

6.2 The Committee agreed that the issues raised by the Presiding Officer would need to be taken into account during the Stage 1 scrutiny process.  The Committee’s legal advisers were asked to provide further briefing on the issues raised by the Presiding Officer so that areas for questioning could be developed to help the Committee explore the issues with relevant witnesses.

 

6.3 The Committee then discussed its approach to Stage 1 scrutiny of the Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill.

 

6.4 The Committee was content with the general approach suggested in the Committee paper but was agreed that an additional question, regarding the National Assembly’s legislative competence, should be added to the consultation letter.

 

6.5 It was also agreed that representatives of cancer charities, Health Boards, the construction industry and organisations manufacturing asbestos should be considered as additional oral witnesses.


Meeting: 28/11/2012 - Plenary - Fourth Assembly (Item 5.)

Statement by Mick Antoniw: Introduction of a Member proposed Bill - Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill - POSTPONED


Meeting: 15/11/2012 - Health and Social Care Committee - Fourth Assembly (Item 3)

3 Correspondence from Mick Antoniw AM on the Recovery of Medical Costs for Asbestos Diseases (Wales) Bill

HSC(4)-30-12 paper 7

Supporting documents:

Minutes:

3.3 The Committee noted the letter.

 

3.4 Mick Antoniw informed the Committee that, as the Member in Charge of the Bill, he would not attend the Committee sessions at which the Bill would be considered.


 

 

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