Concise Minutes - Finance Committee

Meeting Venue:

Committee Room 5 - Tŷ Hywel

Meeting date: Thursday, 27 September 2018

Meeting time: 09.10 - 12.22
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Assembly Members:

Neil Hamilton AM

Mike Hedges AM

Jane Hutt AM

Nick Ramsay AM

David Rees AM

Llyr Gruffydd AM

Helen Mary Jones AM


Andy Fraser, Welsh Government

Julian Revell, Welsh Government

Katharine Pottinger, HMRC

Jackie McGeehan, HMRC

David Eiser, Adviser to the Scottish Parliament’s Finance Committee

Committee Staff:

Bethan Davies (Clerk)

Georgina Owen (Deputy Clerk)

Martin Jennings (Researcher)

Joanne McCarthy (Researcher)

Christian Tipples (Researcher)

Ben Harris (Legal Adviser)



1       Introductions, apologies, substitutions and declarations of interest

1.1 Following election on 19 September 2018, Llyr Gruffydd AM, as temporary Chair, welcomed Members to the meeting.

1.2 Apologies were received from Steffan Lewis AM. Llyr Gruffydd AM attended as a substitute.

1.3 Helen Mary Jones AM attended the meeting with the permission of the temporary Chair, in accordance with Standing Order 17.49.

1.4 The temporary Chair welcomed Dr Ed Poole as Expert Advisor to the Committee during its scrutiny of the Welsh Government’s Draft Budget 2019-20.



2       The Cost of Caring for an Ageing Population: Consideration of draft report

2.1 The Committee agreed the draft report with minor changes.



3       Welsh Rate of Income Tax: Technical Briefing

3.1 The Committee received a technical briefing on the Welsh Rate of Income Tax from:

·         Katharine Pottinger, Head of Devolved Income Tax, HMRC;

·         Jackie McGeehan, Deputy Director Income Tax Policy, HMRC;

·         Andy Fraser, Head of Tax Strategy, Welsh Treasury;

·         Julian Revell, Head of Fiscal Analysis, Welsh Treasury.



4       Briefing session: David Eiser

4.1 The Committee received a briefing on the implications of the partial devolution of income tax on budget scrutiny from David Eiser, Advisor to the Scottish Parliament’s Finance Committee and a Fellow of the Centre on Constitutional Change.



5       Welsh Government Draft Budget 2019-20: Consideration of briefings

5.1 The Committee considered the briefings.