Concise Minutes - Public Accounts Committee

Meeting Venue:

Committee Room 3 - Senedd

Meeting date: Monday, 22 January 2018

Meeting time: 14.45 - 17.00
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Assembly Members:

Nick Ramsay AM (Chair)

Mohammad Asghar (Oscar) AM

Neil Hamilton AM

Vikki Howells AM

Adam Price AM

Lee Waters AM


Tracey Burke, Welsh Government

Jo-Anne Daniels, Welsh Government

John Howells, Welsh Government

Emma Williams, Welsh Government

Wales Audit Office:

Anthony Barrett – Assistant Auditor General for Wales

Matthew Mortlock

Mike Usher

Committee Staff:

Anthony Barrett

Matthew Mortlock

Mike Usher

Fay Bowen (Clerk)

Claire Griffiths (Deputy Clerk)

Katie Wyatt (Legal Adviser)



1       Introductions, apologies, substitutions and declarations of interest

1.1        The Chair welcomed the Members to Committee.

1.2        Apologies were received from Rhianon Passmore AM.



2       Paper(s) to note

2.1 The papers were noted.

2.1 Lee Waters AM asked for a correction to be made to point 4.2 of the minutes from 15 January 2018.



3       The Welsh Government’s Supporting People Programme: Evidence Session 5

3.1 The Committee received evidence from Tracey Burke, Director General for Education and Public Services, Jo-Anne Daniels, Director, Communities and tackling Poverty, John Howells, Director, Housing and Regeneration, and Emma Williams, Deputy Director, Housing Policy as part of its inquiry into The Welsh Government’s Supporting People Programme.

3.2 Tracey Burke agreed to:

·         Check whether third sector organisations were invited to participate in the stakeholder engagement workshops during the development of the Pathfinder project

·         Send a list of the ten grants which form the proposed single integrated grant



4       Motion under Standing Order 17.42 to resolve to exclude the public from the meeting for the following business:

4.1 The motion was agreed.



5       The Welsh Government’s Supporting People Programme: Consideration of evidence received

5.1 Members considered the evidence received and agreed that a short report should be prepared.

5.2 It was agreed that the areas of questions regarding the Auditor General’s Report on Homelessness which were not reached, should be sent to the Welsh Government in writing.



6       The Welsh Government's initial funding of the Circuit of Wales Project: Consideration of Welsh Government Response

6.1 Members considered the correspondence received on the Circuit of Wales project and the majority view of the Committee was to hold an oral session with the Permanent Secretary on 5 February.